American Elections, Donald Trump, and God’s Secret Prophetic Strategy

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[EDIT: A couple people have told me that I wasn’t descriptive enough when I talked about the tiger dream. I thought I was clear, but I have added a bit more detail to help people understand what I was trying to convey. March 12, 2016.]

It is with fear and trembling that I write these words. The fact is, I have good friends and close family on all sides of the political debate — republicans, democrats, independents, and more.  Some are Christians, and some are not. I know that a message like the one I have to share here is not going to be popular and will likely make some people upset. But I have a deep concern for the Body of Christ right now that I believe needs to be addressed.

First, Some Important Disclaimers

Even though I wrote these words late last night into the early morning, I have waited to post them until today’s primary voting and caucuses (in my own state of Michigan and others) were mostly over. I did this for three reasons: (1) I didn’t want to be accused of merely trying to sway votes on an important election day that could go any unknown direction, (2) I wanted to release this before tonight’s results came in so that people would know I’m not just changing a position or swaying with what may turn out to be popular, and (3) I wanted to run the contents of this message past a few older ministers whose discernment I trust.

Let me say that if you support Donald Trump for president, I will still be your friend and will continue to associate with you as a fellow believer in Christ. I’m not upset with anyone, nor am I looking to start a war (though I know what I’m about to share could start an uproar).

In the interest of not wanting to waste anyone’s time, let me say that what I have to share here is specifically for Pentecostal and Charismatic Christians. If you’re not a Pentecostal or Charismatic Christian who believes God still speaks today through prophetic people (see Joel 2:28 and Acts 2), then you’re going to see all this as crazy talk. Lets not waste each other’s time — I’m sure there are plenty of other things you’d rather be reading and debating. But if you do believe in God’s present-day gift of prophecy and are interested in what I believe I’m sensing from the Lord about our current elections in America, then please read on.

As a final disclaimer up front, what I share here is my own perspective and does not necessarily reflect the views of any of my fellow authors here at SupernaturalTruth.com or any of the people mentioned in this article. These are my own words, and I take sole responsibility for them.

The Tiger Dream

Several nights ago, after weeks of studying issues and praying about who to vote for in Michigan’s primary election, I had a dream that I believe is from the Lord.

In the dream, my wife and kids were out playing in a field. Suddenly, I noticed three orange tigers sitting about fifty yards away in the field. Two were sleeping and one was looking around, alert. I hurried inside to find a gun (strange, because I don’t own a gun and am not interested in owning a gun), but I couldn’t find one.  I ran back outside to bring my family to safety in person.

The three orange tigers were still positioned in the field, unmoved — none of them actually posing a threat to my family. But as I cautiously approached my wife and kids, I suddenly noticed that a fourth tiger — this one large and white — was crouching just feet away from them, ready to attack.

I prayed about this dream for a few days — first examining any sort of personal application it might have for my life. Then, as I was praying again about the election, I suddenly had the sense that the Lord was using the dream to speak to me about the republican primary. I realized that the field of wheat in which my family played was not a symbol of the harvest (which was my first guess) but rather America’s “amber waves of grain.” Suddenly it all came together, and that’s when I believe God spoke what I’ll share at the end of this article.

The fact is, no politician is technically “safe.” They’re all “tigers.” But only one in the current field actually poses an imminent threat — the white tiger; the one that’s different; the one that’s a total outsider and not from the same family as the others. I believe that tiger is Donald Trump because of his dangerous policies, regular promotion of violence, negative image in the eyes of the international community, and tendency to speak carelessly about important things and needing to retract those statements later (like killing terrorists’ families, for example).

In my dream, there was no way to defend yourself or your family against this fourth tiger. It’s interesting to note that the type of gun I was looking for in my dream was what many would call an “assault rifle,” and Donald is the only one of the four candidates (to my knowledge) who has supported a ban on assault weapons. That may or may not be relevant, but the main point is that the white tiger was dangerous, and I couldn’t protect my family. I didn’t see the danger at first. I only saw it after it was too late. And I believe this is what is happening to many Christians today — blindly following this popular candidate without any concern for what the future may actually bring.

Regarding the other three tigers, one was alert while the other two were sleeping.  It actually looked like the alert tiger was defending the field (he certainly wasn’t looking at my family as a snack). I believe the challenge for republicans and conservatives in this election cycle is to discern and identify which of the other three candidates is that alert protector. (Even if you’re a democrat reading this, I think you’ll agree: We don’t need a president who is asleep.)

Let me be clear: I do not believe God’s preference for America is a President Trump. But I also believe He wants you to seek Him yourself about who His preference is (you’ll see why in a bit). The body of Christ needs to be discerning and educated, not merely taking someone else’s instruction about how to vote (as many have). And if you truly feel after reading this that God has directed you to vote for Donald Trump, then that’s what you should do.

But I need to say this, because since I first published this article, there has been some confusion: The tiger dream is not the main point of this article. There’s a more significant warning I feel from the Lord — something I believe He has not publicly revealed until now for a specific reason. I’ll share that in a moment.

The Controversy Begins

This dream has motivated me to become publicly vocal about my concerns regarding Donald Trump.

On Super Tuesday, I posted the following on Facebook:

Please read the following scriptures BEFORE you vote for Trump:

“Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin condemns any people.” (Proverbs 14:34)

“When the godly are in authority, the people rejoice. But when the wicked are in power, they groan.” (Proverbs 29:2)

“Though the LORD is great, he cares for the humble, but he keeps his distance from the proud.” (Psalms 138:6)

“God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” (James 4:6)

As imitators of Christ, how can we oppose humble candidates while giving grace (a vote) to the most openly prideful of the bunch? I’m not saying there are any perfect politicians, but only one of the current candidates has openly said that he has never felt a need to ask God for forgiveness. Only one candidate flaunts his pride.

The Bible warns us that if such a person is in political power, we will groan, and our nation will not enjoy the favor and blessing of the Lord. Not only that, but God will both oppose that leader and keep His distance from him.

Is that really what you want for your country?

Don’t cast an unrighteous vote simply because you’re angry with the political system, “…because human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires.” (James 1:20)

While most of the feedback I received was positive, a few of the responses stunned me (though those people have since deleted their comments from the post, so I can’t paste them here). Their primary argument was that there have been a lot of “prophetic words” supporting Donald Trump. They said that God had chosen Donald to be our next president and that there was nothing I could do about it.  Between calling me names (like “religious scoundrel”), they said that I lacked discernment and needed to hear God’s voice on the matter.

Here’s the thing: I never assume that I’m right. I may preach with certainty and conviction, but I’m always happy to allow people to challenge my ideas with Scripture. And if I think I’ve heard from God, yet someone else says the opposite while feeling they too have heard from God, then I don’t start a “prophecy war.” I go to the Lord for confirmation and clarity. I search the Scriptures. And I let time prove who was right. When it comes to the prophetic, I prefer to share what I’m sensing with a measure of humility, admitting that I could be wrong.

This is one of those cases. Paul said that “we know in part and we prophesy in part.” None of us has it all figured out. I would never present a presumed “prophetic word” in a way that demands people not weigh carefully what I have said and discern for themselves whether or not it’s true. If what I shared about the tigers or if what I’m about to share in the coming paragraphs does not come to pass, then I will humbly detract what I said and even publicly apologize for speaking against the Lord. I’m not going to speak in vague generalities like many “prophetic ministers” do (so that they can make anything that happens fit details of their message and say they were right). I’m going to share what I think I’m sensing, let you discern for yourself, and let future events either prove or disprove my words.

Prophecies for a President Trump

As far as I know, there are four primary, popular, “prophetic voices” whom people in my newsfeed are sharing to support Donald Trump’s candidacy. The main two advocates I’ve been seeing are Lance Wallnau and Kat Kerr who have both given multiple “prophetic words” indicating a future President Trump. Next is Rick Joyner, who has been careful to promote the boisterous candidate while not officially saying that Trump will indeed be the next president (at least to my knowledge).

The fourth voice being cited is in reference to a single prophecy by a pastor and itinerant minister whom we interviewed for our upcoming movie, Voice of God: Jeremiah Johnson. As we interviewed him last year about prophetic ministry and hearing God’s voice, my sense was that this guy is one of the most legitimate voices I have encountered in the prophetic movement. His emphasis was constantly on Christlike character, humility, the love of God, and true intimacy with the Lord. I highly value everything he shared in that interview and am thrilled to be able to share his insights as part of our film.

A few months later, I saw Pastor Jeremiah’s name on an article in Charisma News’ prophecy blog. It looks like they’ve taken the article down now (I’m not surprised due to the controversy it generated), but Jeremiah still has it up on his own web site.

Here is the exact quote that he said he sensed the Holy Spirit saying:

“Trump shall become My trumpet to the American people, for he possesses qualities that are even hard to find in My people these days. Trump does not fear man nor will he allow deception and lies to go unnoticed. I am going to use him to expose darkness and perversion in America like never before, but you must understand that he is like a bull in a china closet. Many will want to throw him away because he will disturb their sense of peace and tranquility, but you must listen through the bantering to discover the truth that I will speak through him. I will use the wealth that I have given him to expose and launch investigations searching for the truth. Just as I raised up Cyrus to fulfill My purposes and plans, so have I raised up Trump to fulfill my purposes and plans prior to the 2016 election. You must listen to the trumpet very closely for he will sound the alarm and many will be blessed because of his compassion and mercy. Though many see the outward pride and arrogance, I have given him the tender heart of a father that wants to lend a helping hand to the poor and the needy, to the foreigner and the stranger.” (Source: http://beholdthemanministries.com/prophesy-donald-trump-shall-become-the-trumpet/)

Something that must be noted is that Jeremiah did not say Donald Trump would be president. In fact, he said that God would use Trump “prior to the 2016 election.” What I would consider to be an even clearer message is what Jeremiah wrote more recently in December:

The controversy that God will have with the church in 2016 is over whether she will turn to Him or to a political figure to be their savior in the midst of crisis. Be warned, God is not pleased with allegiance to political figures, whether they be republican or democratic. I want to be clear: I am not saying that Christians should not vote in the 2016 elections, but what I am saying is that Satan is laying a tremendous trap before the American Church [in] 2016, and God is going to have a great controversy with those who will put their trust in a political figure or party and not in His leadership. God is looking for the Church to turn to Him and not to man as in the days of Hosea and Isaiah. We must not become consumed and driven by fear, hate, or emotions in the days ahead.

In a vision God said to me, “I did not give My people what they deserved in the 2012 election, but rather who they asked for. For they cried out for the help of men in their time of distress, just as Israel when surrounded by their enemies sought help from Egypt, so the Church when surrounded by uncertainty has reached out to mammon, men, and temporary pleasures. Where and whom shall the Church in 2016 put their allegiance, trust, and hope in? To the one who will sit in the oval office or to the One who sits above the circle of the earth? I will not anoint a politician in 2016, but I will anoint a prophetic and evangelistic people in America to declare my uncompromised truth. These individuals will act as an abrasion to the body of Christ and cause many to wonder at the way they will conduct themselves….” (Emphasis added. Source: http://beholdthemanministries.com/2016-the-lord-has-a-controversy-with-the-church/)

Now please note that I’m not endorsing every single thing Jeremiah Johnson says (nor do I believe he would want me or anyone else to do so). What I am saying is that his words are being taken out of context to promote Trump. Pastor Jeremiah later said, “Let it go on the record one more time: the dream regarding Donald Trump was neither an endorsement of his personal life or political run nor was it a prediction or prophecy that he would become the 2016 US President.” (Source: http://beholdthemanministries.com/prophetic-dream-marco-rubio/) All he said was that God would use Trump “to expose darkness and perversion in America like never before.” As you’ll see in a moment, I believe that’s 100% accurate.

I share all this because I felt a need in my spirit to defend Jeremiah as a minister and separate him out from the other voices who actually are promoting and endorsing Donald Trump, even though his prophetic word is still being circulated as “proof” that God has decreed Trump to be our next president.

So that leaves us with the three primary voices I’ve been seeing: Joyner, Kerr, and Wallnau. People are also citing more vague or cryptic predictions from ministers like Kim Clement that could be taken as a word about Trump. Add to all this Trump’s prayer meeting with televangelists like Kenneth Copeland and the the general endorsements of big evangelical names like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, Jr., and you can see why so many Christians are either gung ho for Trump or scratching their heads about how so many people could be supporting him.

I have to admit: Seeing all that support from such big names in the Body of Christ has certainly given me pause in writing this and is the main reason I didn’t write something sooner. After all, who am I to chime in on something as significant as the presidential election? Not to mention, some of these people actually wrote and taught things in the past that actually led me into hearing God’s voice for myself! Some of them were like teachers to me!

But I have to share what I have seen; and I feel like the Lord is only now revealing it so that we — the Church in America — can come to our senses before we do something we’ll regret.

A Little Background from the Bible

In First Kings 22 and Second Chronicles 18, we read a fascinating story about the prophetic circumstances surrounding King Ahab’s death. In summary, King Ahab (of Israel) and King Jehoshephat (of Judah) discussed teaming up to go to war against the people in Ramoth Gilead (because the land belonged to Israel). Jehoshaphat recommended that they consult the Lord, so they assembled 400 prophets together. All 400 prophets proclaimed victory, saying, “Go, for the Lord will give it into the king’s hand.”

But Jehoshaphat pressed further and asked if there was anyone else to inquire of. Ahab answered, “There is still one prophet left, but I hate him because he never prophesies anything good about me — always bad. His name is Micaiah, son of Imlah.”

They sent for Micaiah. In the mean time, Ahab and Jehoshaphat sat on thrones together while all the different prophets came before them, continuing to promise victory in the battle.

1 Kings 22:13-18 — The messenger who had gone to summon Micaiah said to him, “Look, the other prophets without exception are predicting success for the king. Let your word agree with theirs, and speak favorably.”

But Micaiah said, “As surely as the Lord lives, I can tell him only what the Lord tells me.”

When he arrived, the king asked him, “Micaiah, shall we go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or not?”

“Attack and be victorious,” he answered, “for the Lord will give it into the king’s hand.”

The king said to him, “How many times must I make you swear to tell me nothing but the truth in the name of the Lord?”

Then Micaiah answered, “I saw all Israel scattered on the hills like sheep without a shepherd, and the Lord said, ‘These people have no master. Let each one go home in peace.'”

The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “Didn’t I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad?” (NIV)

The next thing that happens is one of the craziest passages in the Bible:

1 Kings 22:19-23 — Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’

“One suggested this, and another that. Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’

“‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.

“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.

“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’

“So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.” (NIV)

Ironically, Ahab sent Micaiah away and had him put in prison. Micaiah shouted back, “If you ever return safely, the Lord has not spoken through me. Mark my words, all you people!”

Then Ahab and Jehoshaphat went to war anyway. And sure enough, Ahab was killed in the battle.

God’s Secret Strategy

I believe it was the Holy Spirit who brought this passage to my mind last night. I couldn’t shake it.  I took time to pray about it, and I sensed even greater clarity. Please discern this for yourself.

I believe the Lord said:

“This is what is presently happening in America among many believers. I have a plan that I am trying to accomplish in America, and the spirits in My Court have found a way to carry out My will. They have come to the prophets of the earth proclaiming My support of one candidate when I have not decreed that candidate. My purpose is to humble those who identify as evangelicals yet whose hearts are far from Me. This secret strategy is now made known because it cannot be stopped. I will accomplish what I have set out to do. However, My people can still elect the alert tiger. If they will repent of their bloodthirst and their selfish anger — if they will come to Me and learn from Me who the alert tiger is — I will indeed raise that candidate up as a strong protector of your nation.”

I need to be clear. I do not know who God knows will be our next president, though I do believe He has a preference (What parent wouldn’t care who is in charge of their children’s wellbeing?).  The Lord honors the popular vote of the people — just as He did when Israel demanded a king despite God’s warning about what that would mean for their society (1 Samuel 8). I believe I know who the “alert tiger” is (and voted for him today), but I feel that the right thing to do is what God requested: to allow you to go to Him yourself and discern. (And for all my liberal friends, yes, I do believe that God’s preference for the next four years is a conservative president. Don’t worry; I still love you.)

My feeling is that Donald Trump is not God’s preference for America’s next president, but He will nonetheless use Trump to bring humility to many in America and especially the Body of Christ. In my human mind, I can see this playing out one of two ways: Either (1) Donald Trump is not elected, and all these “prophetic voices” and “Christian leaders” will need to eat their words; or (2) Donald Trump will be elected president, and he will do such careless and reckless things in office that the “promises” given by the prophets are proven false. I don’t present either of those options with glee, and I truly hope I’m wrong. But I have to share what I feel is a warning from the Lord because I believe too many Christians are taking the words of prophets as their instruction about how to vote rather than discerning for themselves who would be the most righteous candidate. That is not the New Testament life. Hear God for yourself.

Indeed, God has already used Donald to humble many; but I am personally expecting this heavenly strategy to result in a humbling of Donald Trump, Chris Christy, and all the Christian leaders and individuals who have publicly endorsed him in the name of Jesus. This is not an attack on any of them, nor is what I have shared an expression of personal disdain for any of the candidates (even though I personally have grave concerns about what Trump would do in office). I believe this strategy is God’s way of bringing all of them to their senses so that they might come to truly know Him. It’s actually His grace and mercy at work for America, and I pray we all surrender to the Lord’s work while there’s still time to elect God’s preferred candidate. It’s better to humble ourselves while there’s still time to make a right choice than to be humbled by the wrong choice.

Please pray that the American Church wakes up, consults the Lord, and selects His preference as our next president.
–Art

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112 Responses to “American Elections, Donald Trump, and God’s Secret Prophetic Strategy”

  1. DanielleMarch 8, 2016 at 9:17 pm #

    Very well written. Thanks for posting. Although I am Canadian, I am praying for the next president. You’re right, each person much ask God themselves and hear from Him personally who to vote for.

  2. DonnaMarch 8, 2016 at 9:26 pm #

    I am a Christ Follower. I’ve sought the Lord regarding who to get behind when voting for a nominee. Because I am a Christian, the obvious choice would be to support someone who aligns with similar beliefs as mine. After much prayer, I have decided to support Donald Trump for the nomination. I feel good about my choice, even though there are those (other Christians) who believe I should not get behind him. I have discovered that there are many Christians who too, are supporting this man. Since I’ve made my decision , I have come across a few prophetic words , mainly the ones you’ve mentioned in your article. I was delighted to discover that my thinking has lined up with their prophetic words. In other words, even though I highly respect these men and women of God, I was able to hear from God on my own. Their words just reinforced what I believe. The more I think about it, the more I believe that my beliefs do align with Donald Trump. One being, America will become Great again, with God’s help. Blessings!

    • SharonNovember 6, 2016 at 8:53 pm #

      Said very well. I cannot vote for someone that supports abortion and gay marriage that goes against the Word of God. Voting for third parties are wasted votes because they can not win the election. That leaves Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. Clinton is for abortion and gay marriage. That
      leaves Donald Trump. From watching Hillary Clinton’s political life, the past 30 years, I could never vote for her. I believe Donald Trump is a baby Christian, led to CHRIST by Paula White. We need to continue to hold him up in prayer.

  3. mhillMarch 9, 2016 at 12:56 am #

    Thank you for your service to the Lord and his kids by sharing this timely message. I praise our Father that He raised you up to speak truth into His body. He who has ears, let him hear!!!

  4. BillMarch 9, 2016 at 6:00 am #

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gDvs-KsZHdw

    Two of Lance W. sermonettes about Donald and his “wrecking ball annointing!” Or his Cyrus annointing because it was Cyrus who said “build the wall”?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4X7AOOL8gtA

  5. TerryMarch 9, 2016 at 6:48 am #

    Well thought out. I’m in agreement with you brother we need to be seeking Him for discernment. 1 Sam 8 has been on my heart as well during this process. Thanks for speaking your heart.

  6. Mark WojoMarch 9, 2016 at 9:12 am #

    Art, I do not know about the other Prophecies I did not hear or read any I did read yours it was excellent and I did read what you wrote about the other 4 seems to me 3 are ahead of the time line it’s just the primary not the pres election so I discount those all together and the 1 said God is going my to use trump
    So that ones out also and yours is the primary, it will be really difficult for you or the other 4 to eat your words if your wrong
    You did not actually make any predictions, what I think k you said if that trump is the white tiger? If he wins the primary and gets the repub nod that still doesn’t make him pres, don’t be surprised if Hilleray or Saunders win the whole thing then all this talk about trump and rep makes all of you look foolish, young liberals will be flocking to the polls this year and they may take the whole darn thing
    No Prophecies above just thoughts
    Luv wojo

    • Art ThomasMarch 9, 2016 at 9:23 am #

      In a sense, you’re right–I didn’t make any predictions (at least not about who will be president). I did, however, “predict” that God will use this process to humble Trump and all those prophesying that he will be a marvelous president.

      I suppose the main way I would be proven wrong on this is if Trump becomes president, does an amazing job in office, and meets or exceeds the expectations of his supporters.

      I’m not sure how a Hillary or Sanders win would make me look foolish–it would actually prove my position that God did not ordain Trump to be our next president. And a Hillary win would disprove all the prophets who won’t say a name but keep saying “he” and “him” about the next president. It will definitely make the others look foolish.

      The main Kim Clement word I’ve seen floating around is vague enough that you could squeeze either Trump or Clinton into fulfilling it (something about the next president will come from New York).

      • Jacob OmegaAugust 13, 2016 at 1:51 am #

        Jesus Christ rebuke you.

        You showed what you were about just a paragragh into your propaganda. …his ‘image in the world community’?! .. Yikes.
        I won’t have to explain why I singled that out of your writing ,to those who have a mind undarkened by the Neo world you worship.
        I’ll bet you also believe the holocost never happened and that the U.S.A. and Israel are the tyrants of the world.
        Jesus rebuke you.
        God speed to Donald Trump.

        • Art ThomasAugust 13, 2016 at 7:18 am #

          Wow… Not sure why that makes you think I’m a holocaust denier or anti-Israel or anti-US. Looks like you’re being pretty quick to judge.

          I’m a missionary-evangelist who travels the world to preach the Gospel — mostly in America, but also in some more difficult regions. My main concern with US foreign policy is missionary access to dangerous nations. For that reason, our president’s image in the eyes of other nations is a big deal. If Donald Trump causes former allies to become enemies, then American missionaries all over the world may have to leave the field, and future visas into those countries may become impossible to acquire.

          I’m not a globalist… I’m an evangelist. In the future, try finding out who a person actually is before rebuking them in the name of Jesus based on one small phrase. 🙂

          • LillrossOctober 19, 2016 at 11:34 am #

            Iam a Pentecostal Christian. Iam voting for Trump. But I do not agree completely with ur article. Can u give me an example that Trump promote violence My pastor. Don’t lie. What he saying is mostly right. The international community don’t like him. Trump is against their agenda of one world order and so on. The illegal immigration, I had couple of pastors on my community that predicted years ago that God will put a Trump in the WH to cleanse and purify this Nation for the second coming of Jesus Christ.

          • Art ThomasOctober 19, 2016 at 11:14 pm #

            To answer your question about examples where Trump promoted violence, there’s a list:

            (1) He suggested the USA needs to murder the wives and children of terrorists.

            (2) He advocates for torture, using the words “waterboarding and a lot worse.”

            (3) At his rallies, there is video of him encouraging his supporters to punch protesters in the mouth and lamenting about the “good ole days” when you could get away with beating people so badly that they’re carried out on a stretcher.

            (4) After advocating for nuclear proliferation, he said that armies who have such weapons should “have at it.”

            These are the main ones, but there are more.

          • Doyelene GridleyNovember 8, 2016 at 1:26 pm #

            Art
            God never uses people that we think he will use. Sampson was not the greatest choice I would have made but God has plans and purposes for all of our lives. I believe God will use Trump to take down all of the corruption that is in all of our government. There is certainly plenty to go around on all sides. I also believe that God is dealing with Trumps heart. Sometimes what we see and hear with our eyes is not what God sees! The Supreme Court is highly the most important issue we are dealing with and also who will defend Israel. How do you know that Hilary Clinton is not that White Tiger you saw in your dream? Talk about people being blinded, All the corruption and selling of our country and people laud Hilary as their Savior? I have been in prayer for many months on this election. I believe God is making a way for the Christians to rise up and declare Revival across the land. If our religious liberties are at stake, Revival could be delayed. No matter what, you have a right to believe what you feel God is saying. I have a right to Bless You and say that I appreciate your service to the Kingdom Of Heaven! May God richly Bless you and your family!

  7. JeffMarch 9, 2016 at 10:38 am #

    “Though many see the outward pride and arrogance, I have given him the tender heart of a father that wants to lend a helping hand to the poor and the needy, to the foreigner and the stranger.” You’ve commented on the fact Jeremiah did not say who would be president , but what do you think of what he said about giving him the heart of a father? I can see how some would think that God does want trump to be president if he changes his heart later on.

  8. CindyMarch 9, 2016 at 6:09 pm #

    Your article was well written and your heart was heard.

    Well before Donald Trump announced his decision to run for President, the Lord spoke to my husband and said, “there will be no more political heroes”. You are absolutely correct in saying that God is yearning for His people to call up His name. Time is short and we, the church, must prepare ourselves now to bring in the harvest for the Kingdom of God. It is not time to be concerned about “being great again”, but to humble ourselves in the sight of the Lord who is at the door, knocking. Shall we wait only to find His oil dripping from the door, but He is nowhere to be found because He did not linger on the other side. Our hearts are mourning for the church to come into her rightful place and ready herself for our soon coming King.

    As my husband and I pray for the hearts of people everywhere, we have a sense that many are drawn to Trump because of his boldness and his declarations to decrease government, empower the people and make this country great again. This is exactly what the people want so that’s why they are supporting him. People in general, want what they want when they want it…..it’s all about “me”, not necessarily what God wants. If Trump could actually fulfill all of these promises, America could be great again. But with that being said, we all know that it takes a village to raise a child, right? How many does it take to raise a nation? Trump can’t do it on his own. Just like the current president hasn’t destroyed this country, or should I say positioned this country for destruction, all by himself. Obama has had lots of help, including “we the people”. Many have voted for and taken great pride in getting exactly “what they wanted” and now they are reaping the disaster of their choices. Many are so asleep that they dont even know of the great storm ahead. This actually is what sin does…it causes acute blindness and we cannot see outside of our own lustful desires.

    When looking at scriptures and all that has been prophetically written in the Word, we can see very clearly that the Word of God is the only true and living word. Not one prophetic word from the Lord written in scripture has been found to be in the wrong. Unlike many people with a prophetic ministry or voice these days. We do believe in prophecy and the prophetic ministry of the church today, but often times they are full of soulish desires or earthly interpretations. I say this with complete humility as I myself have done so in the past, letting my heart get mixed with what God was trying to say or do at the moment. But I must say this and in prayerful humility I do so, “if or when Donald Trump is elected as President, the election will be “trumped””. You heard me right. There are so many prophetic voices talking about “trumpets, triumph or triumphant victory, the last trumpet of the Lord, etc. Don’t misunderstand me, I actually like Mr. Trump’s boldness and his ideas all sound really good….but I don’t believe he will fulfill the will of the Lord. Only God can save this nation or its people. That doesnt mean we don’t vote or do our part, it just means who really are we listening to? Honestly, I’m finding it very hard to believe any of the candidates can do what they are promising. And Lird knows, none of them are perfect….like the rest of us. But again, I want to reiterate the word of the Lord given to my husband long before Trump even began showing any interest in this race was, ” there will be no more political heroes”. We do however believe that God will use all of this for His Glory and He WILL have His way. He is coming back to gather His church, His own, unto Himself and we must be about our Father’s business and building His Kingdom….not our own.

  9. Art ThomasMarch 9, 2016 at 9:36 pm #

    Just chiming in with a followup: Here are some interesting tidbits:

    1) I have had more than 50 people write to me in the last 24 hours concerning this message. The overwhelming majority of them (including seasoned prophetic ministers who have a track-record) have said that this prophetic word was a confirmation of everything they’ve been feeling for months. Many others have simply written to thank me for having the courage to speak up. All these responses have certainly been encouraging.

    2) The Trump supporters have been generally civil for the most part (with a few exceptions). I think there’s a perception out there that Trump supporters are just as outrageous and “nutty” as Trump himself is perceived to be — not so. I’ve had very civil and friendly conversations with some.

    3) The most fascinating thing I have seen, though, has been the number of people who have written me with their own interpretations of the tiger dream. A couple have cited dream interpretation manuals (which, I feel, simply means that they didn’t listen to God themselves but instead are relying on some other person’s interpretive model that in no way applies to the ways in which God speaks to me personally). But the real joke — if we can call it that — is that none of the interpretations matched. They’re all over the map.

    4) I’ve also been surprised how many people will talk about the tiger dream while completely ignoring the actual prophecy. They’d rather debate the meanings of symbols that God used to personally speak to me. The main point of this message isn’t the meaning of my dream. The main point is that there are spirits at work to accomplish something that the Lord wants, and that strategy has not been made known publicly until it became too late to do anything about it. Many prophetic people say they were aware of the plan as early as a year ago, which is consistent with Scripture’s promise that “surely the Lord does nothing unless He reveals it to His servants, the prophets.”

    I do appreciate all the feedback — especially the encouragement!

    Please note that re-interpreting my dream for me will not change my mind from the peace I have in my spirit that I have heard from the Lord. 🙂

    Be blessed!

  10. Janet McConnellMarch 10, 2016 at 12:08 am #

    God bless you for writing this! Someone posted this on my Facebook wall and I am grateful that they did. What is the most disconcerting to my Christian friends and me is the way so many Christians that have jumped on the Trump bandwagon have become as vicious and cruel to anyone who does not support his ungodly ways or life. They make excuses for him and are as hateful as the liberals are that support Obama or their party. This is startling to the Christians that recognize the truth and see this cloud of delusion over them and how quickly they have turned to ungodly attacks. That should be a big red flag warning that he is not of God. I pray that they awaken to the truth. I do think that Trump has awakened many people to the truth about the corruption in this Obama administration and government, enough to get them out to vote. But sadly I believe that he is an ear tickler and has no clue as to how the government works. He is a builder and knows how to build but there is so much more than building a wall. People say that we are not electing a pastor and being a man of faith has nothing to do with being the president. Our government was founded by men of faith using the Bible as their guide when writing our Constitution, the both are intertwined. Our president should have a good moral compass and strong faith in the Lord so that he will seek His face, hear His voice, and follow His guidance and direction. Because only God can get us out of the mess this country is in! I pray that we get what we need to make America right and not what we deserve. God forgive us!
    I do believe that I know who the alert, protective tiger is as well. I pray that he is elected. God’s will be done! My only other thought on this matter is if Trump is elected, then the rapture might be upon us and God wants a president in place that won’t be raptured up with us. Something to think about!

    • Mary Beth LovettMarch 10, 2016 at 11:16 am #

      I agree Janet I too have been surprised at the many Christian friends and pastors I know who are supporting Trump, and have been attacked personally because I had made my position known that it isn’t about the leaders ability as much as it is to recognize Gods heart. I have even mature members of the Body who have disdain forme because I cant “see what God is doing with Trump”. I have told them, like Art, if I am wrong I will admit it. But after prayerfully for weeks asking the Lord, I heard Him whisper vote my biblical values, hear My heart..and that is what I did. I could not vote for Mr. Trump at that point. I have also friends who have had some not so great dreams regarding his true motives. I pray like Art as well, that the body of Christ will wake up and hear the Lord Himself.

      • Janet McConnellMarch 10, 2016 at 6:41 pm #

        Amen!

  11. JanMarch 10, 2016 at 9:22 pm #

    I’m a Charismatic who stays suspicious of prophets with big ministries and/or followings. I rarely pay attention to most of them. I came upon Lance Wallnau last week, however I realized I had heard him speak before on TV program a few years ago. Some of the things he said, have caused me to rethink some of my positions on the current political climate. I do not hear him saying he supports Trump for President. I hear him saying Trump has a role to play in the plans of the Lord, and as Christians we should seek Him and pray for those plans to be fulfilled for America. I have known members of Jeremiah Johnson’s family for many years, and I have the greatest respect and affection for them. I agree with your assessment of his character, The other folks you mentioned, I have heard of, but not followed. I will ponder and pray about what you have laid out, because I want to honor the Lord in my voting decisions. I don’t think there has ever been a more critical time in our country’s history than this, and it is very sobering to consider what’s ahead. However, I know who holds the future, and I pray that I can stand up when I’m called upon to do so. Peace at any price is not an option.

    • Art ThomasMarch 11, 2016 at 1:52 am #

      Thanks for the thoughts, Jan!

      Regarding your question about whether or not Lance Wallnau has endorsed Trump for president, this link should clear things up:

      http://christiannews.net/2015/11/05/prophetic-prayer-claims-god-has-given-donald-trump-anointing-for-mantle-of-government/

      In short, it’s a case of Lance using his prophetic word to sway voters to support Trump. It’s also a collection of really strong statements about Trump being anointed for government, prospering in his governmental role, and being the only person who fulfills what Lance feels about who the 45th president will be.

      And then there’s this video:

      http://youtu.be/gDvs-KsZHdw

      Lance is a great guy who loves Jesus and his country, and my intention is not to shoot arrows at him. I just want to be clear that I’m not making things up about him. Hopefully that helps clear things up.

      Be blessed!

      • Tim WilliamsJuly 29, 2016 at 12:45 am #

        I dont know who will win.. but with all you wrote I must say it made some sense…but you should have looked at the most important thing about those running for the office..
        LIFE.. Christ came to give us Life…not death…. tonight Clinton and Trump are running for the office of The President of the USA. As a born again Christian I will be voting for Life..
        Clinton is for abortion and Trump says he is for life…Im amazed that born again Christian’s on that one thing would vote for death… and for the record I did not vote for Trump in the NC primary
        Also in the bible God sure did pick and use some off the wall people.. …
        Thanks
        Tim Williams

        • Art ThomasJuly 29, 2016 at 6:54 am #

          Without wanting to turn this page into a political debate, it does concern me that Trump is only recently against abortion and still praises Planned Parenthood as an organization. For years, he has funded politicians (like Clinton) who have supported and even celebrated abortion in our country. He may say he’s pro-life, but he has given no reason for me to believe that it’s actually something about which he has thought or holds personal convictions. Given that, I’m afraid I see Clinton and Trump the same on this issue.

          Being pro-life should extend beyond the womb. And unfortunately, Trump is more in favor of things Jesus wouldn’t stand for (like torture… And remember that time he said we should kill the wives and children of terrorists?). I have a hard time calling that a pro-life stance.

          Don’t get me wrong… I’m not supporting Clinton by any means. Innocent people have actually died on her watch. My point is only that this is not the “simple,” cut-and-dry decision that we’ve been offered in the past. Trump’s lip-service toward the pro-life movement does not give me any indication that he will do anything to end abortion in our country.

          If he wins, I pray I’m wrong!

  12. Tammy KveeneMarch 10, 2016 at 9:55 pm #

    I heard from God myself a year ago before Trump even came on the scene. I have been now encouraged by the men and women of God that have confirmed that through dream, visions, and prophesies. I believe Trump is who God has anointed as Cyrus. He spoke to me about Cyrus last year. It will be interesting to me to see how this plays out for you. I believe we all need to first hear from God before listening to any other influences. Lance Wallnau and others confirmed what I had already been hearing for myself. Thank God for the Holy Spirit because God is not Schizophrenic and if we have unity in the Spirit we should be hearing the same thing. My prayer is that Christians will unite. I do believe this has shown how divided we truly are as believers. I don’t personally believe Trump being elected is judgement on America as some believe. My concern is Christians need to pray for him and not speak against him. If he is elected then we need to be covering him in prayer not waiting for him to fail so we can justify our dreams. I actually find your dream rather vague and easily misinterpreted. God always speaks to us about us first before he speaks to us about others.

    • Art ThomasMarch 11, 2016 at 2:07 am #

      Thanks for the feedback, Tammy.

      Regarding your last statement about the dream, I agree that it’s vague–so we’re dreams in the Bible. And I agree that God speaks to us first about ourselves before speaking about others. Here are a few points worth pondering:

      (1) God does speak to me about myself…a lot… And He corrects me and shapes my life…a lot. I don’t share all the dreams and things that God speaks to me for myself because they’re, well, for myself. What you’re seeing in this article is not something I do often, but God has on rare occasions spoken to me on a national level, and I try to be as faithful as possible to convey what He has put on my heart.

      (2) The main point of this article isn’t the tiger dream; it’s the Micaiah correlation. I have no doubt that people have heard spiritual things about Trump being the next president. My point is that I believe these things they have heard are not actually God’s desire but are part of a heavenly strategy to bring about God’s desire.

      Regarding your other points, I agree with you that I don’t see a Trump election as God’s judgment on America. And I agree that if Trump is elected, we need to pray for him and not attack him. At this stage in the process, though, while I certainly pray for Trump’s salvation, he is not yet the president. And therefore, we Christians need to have sound, prayerful political discourse that incorporates our sensibilities about who we feel would be God’s best for our nation.

      I don’t think anything in my article came across as though I would be hoping for Trump to fail in order to justify my dream–what I actually said was that I hope I’m wrong.

      Finally, regarding the point about Donald Trump being a modern day Cyrus, Dr. Michael Brown tackled that in a recent article saying, “What’s clear, though, is that God did not raise up an idol-worshipping king to rule the nation of Israel. That would have been a curse rather than a blessing. In contrast, Christians are talking about God raising up Trump to lead America, which would be very different than Cyrus being used to help the exiles return to Jerusalem and rebuild it.”

      http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-line-of-fire/55754-is-donald-trump-a-modern-day-cyrus

      Be blessed!

  13. Chris fMarch 10, 2016 at 10:25 pm #

    Bernie sanders was born in New York as well. So if the president is coming from NY that could include him as well. Just an FYI.

    • Art ThomasMarch 11, 2016 at 2:11 am #

      Yeah… That’s the sort of vague prophecy that bugs me. If you want your prophetic words to come true, you can just play the odds and say something like “the next president will come out of the New York area,” and that will apply to so many across the field (including the two frontrunners) on both sides that it’s likely to happen. When a message is that vague and general, I don’t consider it worth proclaiming; but maybe that’s just a pet peeve of mine 🙂

  14. Georgia SommersMarch 10, 2016 at 11:12 pm #

    I really appreciate any prophetic voice that speaks with humility, and the fear of the Lord. Thanks for having the boldness to share what the Lord showed you. Blessings !

  15. LisaMarch 10, 2016 at 11:21 pm #

    Excellent. Thank you so much for posting. God has been taking me to the EXACT Scriptures and giving me the same direction. Pray, people, pray! It’s not too late.

  16. KariMarch 11, 2016 at 2:05 am #

    I like the word you mentioned that people think Trump is prideful… but God knows his heart and he has the heart of a father… (Just as the church needs the father/apostolic back into the pulpit to set the church straight -true apostolic teachers, not mans idea of apostolic) — I believe the white tiger is BERNIE……

  17. Art ThomasMarch 11, 2016 at 5:21 pm #

    Lance Wallnau's Response

    Here’s a link to Lance Wallnau’s response to my article, along with my reply:

    http://supernaturaltruth.com/lance-wallnaus-response-to-my-recent-article-about-donald-trump/

  18. Emily KleinMarch 11, 2016 at 10:58 pm #

    Nita Johnson also had a dream about God using Donald Trump as He used King Cyrus. It would had been good if you would have known about her revelation before you wrote this article. She has been calling interescessors together for America since at least 1999. She always preaches living a life set apart and holinesss into the Lord. She would never have released this word from the Lord unles she knew it was from Him. Before I knew of her dream, I asked the Lord to show me about Donald Trump and the presidency .He gave me a dream and I believe without a doubt that the Lord has chosen Donald Trump to be president. I had already voted for someone else in the primary, I will vote for Donald Trump in the Republican primary.

    • RogerMarch 20, 2016 at 2:55 am #

      Emily,am happy you said he is going to use Donald Trump like he used King Cyrus,it should stay in that context.Let us not stretch our imaginations beyond what God has not said or shown,or misinterpret what he is aying,especially that part where he is silent!For you to understand Donal trumps role in this current season in relation to Cyrus,you need to clearly understand what role he played.What am sure about it did not come close to ruling or leading,but essentially helping!it was a supportive role,not a ruling role!

  19. Sherry YargerMarch 12, 2016 at 7:24 am #

    I am going to jump in here. I am an evangelical Christian, but I do believe that God still does speak to people through dreams and visions and prophetic words. The Lord has always blessed me with a strong sense of discernment and there is one person whom I feel God is leading me to vote for. However, the Lord has really been laying upon my heart that Jesus did not get involved in these discussions about politics. Jesus was busy going about his Father’s business. God has declared in his scripture that it is he who establishes kings and rulers. So I truly believe that he will establish whomever he wants to be there to fulfill his purposes. Don’t get me wrong, because I feel it’s important to be aware of the issues and to study the character of, how the candidate has voted and who they have supported in the past, the skills and lack of skills of each candidate, and whether or not we believe they can do the job, etc. In studying a person’s character, each person will have flaws. Jesus was the only sinless human, But I truly believe that God would have us choose someone who has a heart for him, someone who would seek his counsel and wisdom in these perilous times. I feel a person who is humble, with a Christian worldview will have a better concept as to what is really happening right now and what is going to happen in the fulfillment of prophecy. This would be beneficial to a believer as he makes important decisions concerning America and the world in the end times. The Bible has already shown us a blueprint of what is to come. The political climate in Rome during and after Christ’s time on earth was tumultuous, but again, not once do I read in the Word that he got involved in politics, other than calling out the Pharisees and money-changers. I believe he would want us to walk in his example of seeking to share the Word with a dying world. He himself has been appearing to Muslims in dreams and visions. Others in the Mid-East are being saved by the kindness and actions of so many Christians who are being persecuted. What do other Americans see of the church here? Do they see kindness, love, joy, peace, self-control, etc.? I think they see many Conservatives bickering back and forth, Christians talking nastily to non-believers, etc. Christians cutting down our current government and candidates when we disagree. Is the joy and love of the Lord shining brightly for all to see? Are we really trusting the Lord to bring about circumstances that will cause his will to be done, or are we worrying about the future? I am guilty in many of these areas as well. That is why the Lord has been directing me to put my trust in him and go about doing the Father’s will rather than spinning my wheels over things that are out of my control! That’s basically all I wanted to share.

  20. Sherry YargerMarch 12, 2016 at 7:29 am #

    Just rereading my post, and I didn’t mean people were being save by the persecuted Christians, but their actions are helping to draw people to the Lord.

  21. RitaMarch 18, 2016 at 11:21 pm #

    In August 2015, while there were still sixteen or so candidates for the Republican nominee, I asked The Lord one afternoon to help me decide which candidate to vote for… As there were many good ones. That night, I had a vivid dream that I was stranded without a car in a city miles from my home and I needed to get home. A man, who in my dream was someone I knew, told me he could get me home. Immediately, after waking that morning, I knew the man in my dream was Ted Cruz. I felt safe with him and that he really cared. I told my sister and some others the dream soon after. Funny how he is one of the contenders at this point. He wasn’t even my preference at the time, but I believe he is a good man and God’s preference. I hope everyone really thinks hard about who they are willing to put in the people’s White House. We can’t afford to mess his one up.

  22. Andra Renee JohnsonMarch 23, 2016 at 7:18 am #

    Oh my goodness ! Thank God for you & your word Art Thomas ! I believe it is from God & spot on ! This is what I’ve been feeling & praying for quite sometime. Matter of fact, I’m in the #NeverTrump movement & have been warning others about Trump. I know many are so angry about Obama & Hillary they just desperately want change & to beat Hillary. And so do I. I cried when Obama was elected & warned others about him as well. I’ve been a prayer warrior & walking with the Lord for many years. Your word lines up with what I’ve been feeling for a very long time. While many thought Trump was brought to us from God, many are getting their eyes opened about him as others are exposing him. God used Marco Rubio, a Senator from Florida and one of the candidates, to expose Trump in a debate. Rubio confronted Trump about the Trump University scam where Trump conned millions of dollars from many to go to a school that didn’t exist. He charged them $ 36,000 a person & the scam is in court now. Trump tried to lie his way out of it, but many have confronted him about this. Megyn Kelly, Ron Wallace, & other Presidential candidates besides Rubio have also confronted Trump. Donald Trump is a fraud. He is a habitual liar. Marco Rubio also confronted Trump about him hiring illegal Polish workers instead of hiring Americans. Anyone can google these & read it for themselves. Donald Trump has refused going to two debates now because he’s scared to be confronted by Megyn Kelly. She’s bold & not afraid to confront him with the facts. She has confronted him a few times. And she uses facts. How anyone in the right mind could think a man that refuses to go to a debate because he doesn’t want to be confronted with the truth, could possibly be our President is hysterical to me. He’s a foul mouthed bully. He’s disrespectful to women & the handicapped. He is an arrogant, egomaniac, a narcissist. He commands his followers to salute to him at rallies & swear they will vote for him. He is a pathological liar. He flip flops daily on policies he knows nothing about. Mitt Romney has also spoken Truth about Trump. There are tens of thousands of us in the #NeverTrump movement. We continue to pray he keeps getting exposed. Trump is very dangerous for our Country. He lies about who he is for & who he is against. If people would really pray & ask God to open their eyes concerning this election & Trump, God would. My prayer is that Trump won’t get the 1237 delegates he needs & it all goes to a convention. There is a big plan in the works at the convention. We are at a very, very crucial time in our Nation & people NEED TO PRAY. God has given me the same scriptures that you mentioned. I have posted many, many concerns I have about Trump along with scriptures sometimes, on my facebook. There are many of us praying. I am very concerned about the Body of Christ as well. I have been shocked at the ones who have jumped on the Trump bus. The ones of the world are blind & they don’t have ears to hear. But I thought the Christians would know better. They are seriously lacking in discernment & faith. I have said the same thing, that when Trump loses, many will have to eat their words & many will have egg on their faces. Time will tell. My prayer is there will be enough that are concerned for our Country that they will humble themselves & pray, seek God’s face & do the right thing & not vote for Trump. Trump is a deceiver. But, I believe he will continue to get humbled & the one God has chosen will be elected. My candidate is & has been, Marco Rubio. He is such a man of God & he’s the one that they’ve been saying that the Dems fear the most. He’s the best candidate by far in every way ! He suspended his campaign in Florida & is still working as a Senator there. He still hasn’t withdrawn from the race & I’ve heard he’s coming to the convention & we can vote for him in November. I pray I’ve heard right. I believe everything that’s happening now is a set up for a miracle. I said a long time ago, God brought Marco Rubio & the devil brought Trump. I believe Marco Rubio will be our next President ! I hope & pray I’m right. God Bless you & your wife. May God’s favor & victory follow you ! Prayers in Jesus Mighty Name Andra Johnson ~

  23. Stephanie CampbellMarch 23, 2016 at 1:20 pm #

    I am an black woman who voted for President Obama and I dont regret that vote at
    all. I believe that Art is correct about Donald Trump though and he shows no mercy when it comes to minorities at all and I doubt if cares about the poor unless they are building on construction sites. I like Bernie Sanders I have never heard him speak badly of anyone except those who lie. God is merciful and if its Trump, Clinton or Cruz we pray for them and hope they will lead the nation.

  24. phyllisMarch 30, 2016 at 6:45 pm #

    I too voted for President Obama in 2008 went to his inauguration and again in 2012. Since that time of course I have not agreed with all of his policies, however; he has proven to be more Godly than most people will admit. I am so happy and pleased to have lived in a time where a president actually loved his first and only wife, his children, was not ashamed to say that he attended church, and actually cared about the people of this nation, fullfilling national security by capturing Osama Bin Laden, not to mention other covert operatives that continued in the middle of the night while we slept, always articulate (Harvard grad n attorney) never embarrassing us on a global scale and last but not least – he did not revile an insult for an insult, even though he was called a liar by Rep. Joe Wilson – South Carolina congressman while delivering a live address to our nation, called a Muslim, and not a natural born citizen. He didn’t even say a word when Rep Jim Sensenbrenner – Wisconsin said his wifes backside was big – yea, thats professional and very very Godly. Nevertheless, i knew upon voting for Obama that he was not a strong Christian, and I take full responsibility for my vote the good and the bad, but i did what the Bible told me to do and lifted him up in prayer. Now some of my other ‘brothers and sisters’ in Christ did not do that but rather they criticized and foretold lies of the apocalypse coming because of his presidency, but it’s so peculiar how they extend grace to Trump. Who’s had three wives (if you can’t commit at home you can’t commit to the nation) changes his positions at the drop of a dime, loves to be in the spotlight, and you can’t even count how many times to uses the words “I, my and me”. Doesn’t have any substantial solutions to the issues at hand, and does not know how to hold his tongue with vulgarity he speaks boastfully…and he has the grace of God and not Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Cruz, Kasich!? Is Gods hand too short that he could not use one of them? Let’s not be ignorant and hypocritical this article was spot-on and I would certainly appreciate it if we who call ourselves Christians would please go to the Bible instead of listening to these so-called prophets to hear from the Lord on our behalf. The whole reason why Jesus went to the cross was it to rip the veil so that we could have direct access to the father in His name and experience salvation. We needed to develop an ear to hear from the Lord for ourselves…and not to depend on others. Take responsibility. I, for one have.

    • LisaMay 21, 2016 at 8:09 am #

      As a Christian, I cannot support any president who is pro-choice like Obama. I believe his presidency has created much divisiveness in the country and has left this country very vulnerable to terrorism. My rights come from God, not the government and I have a hard time reconciling those who say they are Christians but conveniently worship at the altar of big government rather than the alter of Christ. Bigger government will not fulfill needs only God can.

  25. joyceApril 4, 2016 at 7:26 pm #

    Hi, Art! While I believe that the Lord has chosen Trump for the job, I also believe that we can agree to disagree, so to speak. I would like to ask, if not Trump, “who”? Many Christians were- I don’t know if they still are, but were- looking for a man of christian character to fill the shoes of the presidency. I don’t see that anyone has proven to be that person. One of my main concerns, for example, regarding Cruz is not his supposed past, but what about the North American Union that he and his wife have fought to get established? That union would become an entity that would supersede our very own Constitution. What would our country become if we have to give up our right to the constitution? That would bring us one step closer to a new world order.

    Today someone shared about how God chose Jehu – had him anointed as King– to take down Jezebel and the house of Ahab. Jehu was not a man of God — the Bible says that His heart was not fully toward keeping God’s commandments- yet God gave him a very specific duty, which, God said that he performed it well. So, yes, an ungodly man- who even allowed the worship of golden calves to continue- was chosen by God to be the King over his people. So, while Cyrus was not chosen to rule God’s people, Jehu was. Either way, I see no other godly candidate- so we can only choose from what is presented to us, asking Holy Spirit to guide us.

    Also, I’m wondering why could Trump not fit into the position of the alert tiger in the dream…. (I did not read the entire dream, and need to be getting off of this computer soon…) God bless you, my brother!

    • Art ThomasApril 5, 2016 at 9:07 am #

      Something I find fascinating is that so many people will defend Trump by saying he doesn’t have to be perfect to be God’s choice. They’ll overlook his terrible foreign policy, his constant flip-flopping on important issues, his lack of understanding of important issues, his anti-constitutional statements, his insulting and demeaning attitude, his violent rhetoric, his praise of dictators and communists, his boasting about adultery, and more… But they’ll point to one issue with Ted Cruz and suggest that it’s proof Cruz couldn’t possibly be God’s choice.

      Everyone wants to re-interpret the tiger dream, but the more important part of this article is what I believe the Lord spoke to me about the prophet Micaiah: that many prophetic voices have been listening to spirits who were sent out to accomplish a particular strategy in the earth. My conviction remains that all the prophetic words about Trump being God’s choice for this next election are not true. I’m convinced God has a different choice.

      I’m still not going to use my web site to promote a particular candidate, but I will use it to argue for our need to hear God for ourselves and not just take someone else’s prophecy as an instruction for how we must vote.

  26. Gail FernandezApril 7, 2016 at 12:25 pm #

    Dear Art: Thanks for this blog article. This has been a unique and troubling primary election thus far. I also was conflicted with what I have seen among some of the well known leadership in the church at large and simply could not find a scriptural reason for supporting Donald Trump. I also prayed at length and received a similar revelation on this before I read your article which proved to be a confirmation.

    I believe I was shown that the vulgarities, inconsistencies on social issues, and financial net worth of Donald Trump were all being used as a lightening rod to sift the church, revealing hearts infected with compromise & decisions based on appearance from the top of the heirachy on down. But not only that, it is also an evil plot by the enemy to destroy a party that symbolized for generations the moral platform for governing this country in contrast to one that has proven it’s a moral agenda contributing to policies that have degenerated this country. No political establishment is perfect as no person is but contrary to what most preachers would be afraid to note publicly, the Republican Party by in large has demonstrated faithful adherence to a party platform that more closely resembles the biblical values all evangelicals should be unequivocally voting for in candidates for leadership.

    As evangelicals, many of us who have been more involved with the political process had been waiting and praying for the time when the Republican Party would be primarily dominated with godly evangelicals that would nominate and elect god fearing individuals to rule in this country as a voting block. What we didn’t expect is what we have seen so far, a split in the evangelical vote, a portion going to one who as Max Lucado bravely stated in his article on Decency for President, is one who he would not trust his daughter with, and the other split between two born again believers!

    In that same prophetic word from Jeremiah Johnson, there was mention of a prophetic dream regarding Senator Marco Rubio which does reflect a contrast between what God would use Donald Trump for and what he would use a public servant like Marco for! That prophecy has yet to be completely fulfilled but, personally, I believe we will see fulfilled in God’s time table.

  27. R.R. WigginsApril 9, 2016 at 8:37 pm #

    Art- just a question for clarification. It’s about what these sentences are saying: “the spirits in My Court have found a way to carry out My will. They have come to the prophets of the earth proclaiming My support of one candidate when I have not decreed that candidate.”

    It looks like what the Lord is saying here, as I can tell, is that his angels thought they knew what the Lord wanted, went and proclaimed it to the prophets (who proclaimed it publicly) and then God said, “wait a minute angels, you didn’t hear me exactly right.”

    Is that kind of in the right ballpark? This is not an angry or accusatory criticism, I just wonder if I’m reading it right and if so, hoped for a little more clarification.

    • Art ThomasApril 9, 2016 at 8:50 pm #

      Thanks for asking. Have another look at the scriptures about Micaiah. God assembled the court of heaven and explained the strategy He wanted to accomplish (in that case, ending Ahab’s reign). He then let the angels come up with a way to accomplish His strategy, and one offered to lie to all the prophets so that they would prophesy victory for Ahab (even though God was declaring defeat).

      What I sense in my spirit is that a very similar meeting took place in heaven–that God explained His strategy to the angels and gave them the liberty to find a solution. And the result was that one or more spirits volunteered to speak to prophetic people in the earth about a Trump presidency (as a means of accomplishing God’s goal) even though it’s not what God actually intends.

      So it’s not that the angels were unaware. On the contrary, they know full well what God desires to accomplish. If what I think I’m sensing is right, then the prophetic promoting of Trump was nothing more than a means to an end. It’s not what God is decreeing, but it will help to accomplish God’s will in the earth.

      Again to be clear, I do not believe God has decreed a Trump presidency. I do, however, feel that these prophetic people are hearing real angelic proclamations, which is what has made all this so confusing. But again, I fully admit that I could be wrong. Unfortunately, I don’t hear such admissions coming from those who are promoting Trump.

      Be blessed!

      • R.R. WigginsApril 9, 2016 at 10:50 pm #

        This is very interesting.

  28. CindiApril 16, 2016 at 2:05 am #

    Thank you for this article. This helps explain why Christians are divided like I have never seen before. Some hate Trump and some can’t stand Cruz, which is perplexing since Cruz is a Chistian. It’s horrid to see that their emotions are carrying them away to the point that they attack brothers and sisters in the Lord who are supporters of the opposing candidate.
    I must correct you on one point. Rick Joyner has not chosen to support Trump at this time. As of his last Prophetic Prospectives video, he is about 50/50 between Cruz and Trump. Now I can see why.

    • Art ThomasApril 16, 2016 at 5:51 pm #

      Thanks for the update, Cindi. At the time this article was written, everything I read from Rick Joyner about the election gave an honorable nod to Ted but lavished praise on Donald, seeming to point more to him. It wasn’t an endorsement per se, but it certainly was strong support in the name of “prophetic insight.” Most of what I’ve read from him has been defense of Donald, even to the point of comparing his adultery to King David (forgetting that David repented of his adultery rather than bragging about it).

      On one hand, I really appreciate that Rick isn’t outright endorsing one or the other with prophecy. On the other hand, I’m bothered that his “prophetic stance” on the candidates seems to sway alongside public opinion. If what you say is true, then Rick was favorable toward Ted but raving about Donald back when Donald was very likely to win, but now you say he’s 50/50, which seems to be the national odds at the moment. I’d like to see him stand consistent toward one or the other.

      Back when I wrote this article, Donald was considered a shoe-in as the republican nominee. Now his campaign is slowing down and he’s struggling to finish well (though New York is expected to bring in big results for him). Personally, I don’t expect him to be the nominee. That’s probably more political analysis rather than prophetic insight, but I also felt that since the beginning of the primary season… So maybe it is prophetic. Hard to say.

      I truly am interested to see how everything plays out! This has been a fascinating election season for sure.

      Thanks for your feedback, and be blessed!
      –Art

  29. Donna DiorioApril 24, 2016 at 12:52 pm #

    I was glad to find your article today as I was researching the prophetic statements that have been made promoting Donald Trump since he announced his intent to run. The things you say here I have also been saying. In fact, one of the first impressions that I had of what is going on with prophets of God continuing to promote Trump after the series of character issues he has demonstrated out of the gate to this day, is the same as you cited: the Kings and Chronicles reference to being a lying spirit in the mouths of all Ahab’s prophets. Many people have called these men false prophets, and that is just not the case. Like you, I have had great respect for many of them prophetically. But not this. I have had many friends withdraw from me because they cannot stand my challenges to the prophetic declaration that Trump is the one. I believe God is allowing this and it could be very costly to America if we do not spiritually process this better than so many have. On the other side of the hard lesson, many will get right as you described, in humility finding the courage to say, I was wrong. Others will try to forge on like it never happened, that may work with people but it doesn’t ever work with God. I am far from perfect, but supporting an ungodly man like Trump is one thing I am not going to be guilty of. Good article. I will be looking more into your ministry to find out more about it.

  30. Prophetic VoiceMay 7, 2016 at 11:21 am #

    Donald Trump will be elected as next president of the United States of America

    The Word of the Lord came to me on March 30th, 2016:

    “For Donald Trump is My Judgement against America; he will become what you have asked for, oh America; you who say you are great. But I, the Lord, have raised him up in this hour and have heard your cry for a man of war and not a man of peace. Thus I have given to you, oh you who say you are great, the desire of your own wicked and rebellious heart. He shall become great in name and in stature and the princes of the earth shall behold him and fear for his many words. But the day shall come when he is in office that the rulers of the earth will mourn his death and shall say, “No more is Trump! No more is Trump!”. His many words of war and his heart of rebellion will be brought low and he shall come to nothing and shall be nothing. For I the Lord will accomplish My own perfect will through this Pharaoh of your time and will raise him up to bring dictatorship to your nation and fear to the world. For what you had in Obama – a weak and pathetic man – you shall have the opposite in Trump and he shall be called great for a time and for a season and then shall I cause his heart to turn against you and take from you what you did not want taken; that which he promised to return to you: Your freedom. You, oh America, shall be brought low and shall be taken captive and shall be in bondage because of this man’s leadership. You who call yourselves by My Name who lifted your hearts against My Holy Righteousness and called for this wicked man’s nomination and election. Hear now the Word of the Lord:

    I shall punish you through this wicked servant with a great punishment. You shall come to nothing and be brought low until you repent and return to the Lord in humility. For I have found pride in all who have voted for this wicked rebel; your sins have reached the heavens and I declare to you this day, saith the Lord, that unless you repent, you too, My Children, shall partake of the great calamities which I shall bring upon your nation. For I have not found in you that which is pleasing to Me. You have heeded strange gods who I did not command you to bow down to yet you have bowed. Now behold!, saith the Lord; I will come to you swiftly and convict you by My Spirit. Heed My Word and repent, lest wickedness be found in you where there will be no remedy.

    America the Great has fallen by the wayside; who shall save Her? Shall man? Nay; I shall not allow it until My Righteous and Holy anger is fulfilled in You, oh America the Great. For you shall be called America The Fallen when My holy wrath is poured out from the east to the west and from the west to the east and from the north to the south and from the south to the north! I AM THAT I AM and you, oh America, have angered the LORD; you shall not escape My punishment. Only those who humble themselves in this season shall be spared My wrath.

    Come now; let us reason together, saith the Lord. Turn and live; look no more to the false gods of Egypt for your sustenance but rather look to Me, the God and the Redeemer of all who call on the Name of My Son, Jesus the Christ.”

    ______________

    The statement “But the day shall come when he is in office that the rulers of the earth will mourn his death and shall say, “No more is Trump! No more is Trump!”.” may refer to Donald Trump’s physical death while in office or his political death or some other type of death not revealed in this prophetic word. Nonetheless, whatever “death” is being referred to here by the Lord will be significant indeed as it clearly states that the “rulers of the earth” will mourn his death.

  31. Susan in VirginiaMay 7, 2016 at 9:39 pm #

    Thank you for posting the article. I like Donald Trump in certain ways, but I voted for Cruz. Not even because he’s a Christian man, but because I prayed about it and sensed a true heart there and his foundational beliefs in limited government, etc. It’s possible God is using Trump to do the outrageous things for a variety of reasons and to wake up the church. Somehow Trump may be disqualified down the road here for whatever reason and someone else will have to step up or step back in. I don’t believe as others have noted that Wallneau or Clement are saying Trump will be the next President. I’ve read and heard several of Clement’s words that are indicative of another and an unusual scenario. As I recently said to some, it’s a wild presidential election and God’s going to have the last laugh! God’s grace as we see in part and know in part. Blessings!!

  32. Dody AldrinMay 20, 2016 at 11:47 pm #

    Thank you for posting this. It confirms what the Lord showed me, that the “battle of the prophets” is similar to Elijah and the prophets of Baal. The proof will be in the outcome. I would make one note, however, and that is that it appears you think because Kenneth Copeland was part of the group who prayed over Trump, it was an endorsement. It was not. I am a member of EMIC (a.k.a. Kenneth Copeland Ministries). Bro. Kenneth always told us to pray and then vote as the Lord tells us to. Trump invited those ministers and apparently asked them to pray for him. Then pictures were posted in the media. Ministers, as you know, will pray for anyone who asks them to. It’s what they do. In January of this year, Kenneth Copeland Ministries held the annual Ministers’ Conference, at which I was a volunteer. One evening Kenneth announced that he believed with all his heart and soul that Ted Cruz is appointed and anointed to be President. Then he introduced Pastor Raphael Cruz as “the father of the next President of the United States.” There were no op ed pictures. Nothing was given to any of the media. A couple of posts were made on FB from people who had attended. I just wanted to set the record straight. Kenneth Copeland never endorsed Donald Trump, but did personally endorse Ted Cruz. As you indicated, we will know after the election who really heard the voice of the Lord. I believe I have voted for the alert tiger also.

  33. MegMay 22, 2016 at 2:14 am #

    Thank you for this article and explanation. I have been praying for both the American and Australian elections as I believe that both nations are at the same critical time in their history…and the effect of this US election will have a profound effect on our world. I have come to the same prayerful conclusions as you have and took the same meaning from your dream. It confirms the same responses I have had to my prayers. I have listened to hear the proposals of each of the candidates, without the restrictions of ‘party’…hoping to hear something I may have missed. All that is being confirmed regarding Donald Trump, is that there is no repentance for pending charges of pedophile rape and sodomy against a 13 year old child, no seeking of absolution for fraud, disrespect for women generally and for the innocent unborn, who will be shown no protection or care…prayer has made me more committed to seeing the hand of God covering one candidate who remains loyal and devoted, first to His faith and to leading others to seek that Truth. He is not prideful, not hateful, not deceitful. No other candidate has the humility that he displays. Thank you for speaking your faith and your prayerful words. I feel the same peace in my conclusions. Please God there is more prayerful consideration on this article and it leads America to better directions than past elections has done…and closer walking with the Lord across our world.

  34. MrsWMay 22, 2016 at 4:55 am #

    I just read this and I think you are right on target here. I know so many Christians that support Trump and it just seems so incongruous with Christian principles. I also know many who think Ayn Rand is a great person and support her doctrine of selfishness. She was an atheist and very pro abortion, didn’t believe in helping a soul. I just don’t understand the people I once attended church with. Where is the love and compassion of Jesus Christ? It all appalls me. Where in the Bible does it tell us to be selfish and worship money? They don’t see it and some of my friends are quite racist and think Trump’s ideas are great. I am really shaking my head over this one. I am not endorsing anyone. I have no idea what will happen in November.

  35. Anne MainwaringMay 25, 2016 at 12:02 am #

    I think we all need to think back before we became christians. It’s easy to find fault in anyone but of course when it comes to the future Presidency of the United States of America, ideally we would like to think that an ethical, moral background and presenting such in their philosophies on life, in their campaigning, is what essentially should be indicating potential Presidential material. We need to remember, that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and God’s ways are not our ways. The more we sway and try to influence the hand of God, the more we are surprised in how things often turn out. God can use anybody, and he does, and it may necessitate the stripping of pride to humble a person (whether he allows it to happen to Trump ??) and how more effective that could be, when done publicly. There is no reason why God cannot use Trump’s extreme vocal outspokeness to help bring more transparency in politics. He may not have lead a truthful background in some of his business dealings (but neither has Hilary Clinton!), but he seems to have a vengance for truth in politics and that may be all God may use him for temporarily. He may be on wife number three, but he has a beautiful family and values them, despite his rather distasteful, cocky remark about one of his daughters which should never have been taken out of context. He’s wealthy and cannot be bought by political manipulation. Despite his wealth, he has a heart for the poor and the suffering of children. His answer to the question of the necessity of vaccinations surprised many which indicated his love for the welfare of babies and little children (like a father’s heart love). His answer was perfect which left no room for his opponents or the public to attack him. In my opinion a leader does not have to have a brilliant mind, nor an extremely high IQ. George Bush proved that. He made stupid remarks, gave terrible (robotic) speeches and was clumsy in his mannerisms, etc. Who could be worse – certainly not Donald Trump. Afterall, doesn’t the President consult the hierarchy of each Government Department, so as not to make a one man decision. Why try to force the hand of God, when his plan for Donald Trump was known and set the day he was born. I say, Trust in the Lord with all of our Hearts and he can (and may) make the paths straight in Donald Trump’s heart and life, to the degree that he will use him, whether it be pre-Presidency or the chosen one, The President of the U.S.A. Thanks Art for sharing your dream. It’s extremely interesting the conversations that have developed from it.

  36. SylviaJune 11, 2016 at 10:07 am #

    Thank you, brother, for the courage to write this. Even though I live in Canada I am praying for the people of the United States that the true followers of Jesus will wake up from their slumber and seek the face of God. As the bible says if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. You’re right, each person must seek God and discern for themselves who is the right person to vote for. I believe this is a serious time for the people of the United States and only hearing from God is going to heal what has been broken. As a Canadian I cannot vote but will continue to pray for Christians in the US to seek more of God and to discern what is His will.

  37. Pastor BethJune 15, 2016 at 7:41 pm #

    Interesting! I believe you have heard from the Lord on this!

    I have been saying I think things are going to be shaken between now and the election in November, maybe into January. Of course, we just had the Orlando murders Sunday, but people, even Christians, are blaming Christianity and gun ownership. They fall in line with the media. “Here’s a pinch of incense, here’s the bust of Caesar. You know what you have to do.”

  38. Bill RobertsonJuly 4, 2016 at 3:19 am #

    Art I for one being a born again spirit filled Christian and a chaplain at my church and having served as a former pastor am extremely appalled at how some prophets in the Body of Christ are speaking words that are trying to sway the evangelical Charismatic Christians to voting for a particular candidate. I have met and attended seminars of Lance Wallnau and am associated with many that are in ministry with him and respect him as a teacher in the Body of Christ and also know that he has operated in the function as a prophet at times but we must as Christian prophets and teachers lead the Body of Christ in truth and how embarassing would it be if these men and women of God that are prophesying that Trump will be president are wrong. Then how are those that believe and practice the gifts of the spirit in the church going to be viewed? Who will be president is in the hands of the voters and unless Evangelical Christians get out and vote for Trump ( if they want him as president ) then it won’t happen. Hilary Clinton’s lead in many states is substantial and although I would never vote for her the bottom line is we can’t enact a president via someone’s prophetic word. I challenge any prophet or teacher in the Body of Christ to find me a passage in the New Testament where Paul predicted ( prophesied ) a certain man to become Emperor of Rome or even where he prophesied who was going to be the governor over Israel. It never happened because Paul and the rest of the Apostles were concerned with getting people saved. Elected leaders are what they are elected and although God could violate everyone’s will by causing the voters to vote for Donald Trump He won’t. Its not that He can’t but He wants us involved in all of His works here on earth and that means even in the electoral process. I for one am tired of the teaching of pie in the sky by some of these prophets ( including Lance ) who say that the Body of Christ is going to usher in a great revival and billions will be saved and the world is going to get better and we ( The Body of Christ ) will usher Jesus’ return. Not the way I am seeing it. I see evil increasing moment by moment the morals of our society crumbling ( like it did in Rome ) and church attendance down to less than 30 per cent of confessing Christians even attending church on a once a year basis.

    • Armando SiewertNovember 5, 2016 at 10:26 am #

      Dear brother in Christ, my English is not very good and I write with a translation of google. Your lines encourage me and make everything very clear as well as the words of brother Art Thomas. For I was a little confused because I can not understand the prophetic statements of well-known people from the United States for Trump. I myself am recognized in Germany as a prophet of the Pentecostal churches and beyond and I mean quite the Bible in their statements to understand the service as a prophet. What is being done but currently spoken by some siblings to me not to be displayed in accordance with the Scriptures. And it is a benchmark for what we do and say.
      Here is my website in German with Google translator: http://www.prophetischerdienst.de
      God bless you.
      Armando Siewert

  39. BonnieHavenAugust 3, 2016 at 9:12 pm #

    Thank you for writing this. I am a ‘what would Jesus do kind of person.’ This is why I cannot chose Trump. His actions and words do not align with the teachings our Lord.
    It saddens me that so many spirit filled Christians are clinging to Trump simply because of the words of our modern prophets.
    We are not supposed to cling to any man, leader or prophet.
    We cling to the word of the Lord.
    We are supposed to test everything and every prophecy with the word. And, if the prophecy or the actions and words of a man do not line up with the word. Then we must stay with the word.
    I believe the Lord is using Trump to humble our prophets. He will not win.

  40. Debbie D.September 13, 2016 at 3:55 pm #

    This was very refreshing to read. My husband and I are shocked that so many “Christians” are supporting Donald Trump. We believe in the spiritual gifts and know that they are still in operation today. The scripture you mentioned is right on target. Let’s see what happens in November. 1 Kings 22:13-18

  41. Bill RobertsonSeptember 14, 2016 at 2:36 am #

    Art , I too am a believer in the gifts of the Spirit being manifested today as they have been manifesting since Acts 2 but here is where I draw the line as a teacher of the Word of God. God is the one who is in control in this whole scenario and I believe that all of these prophets words ( including my own or yours ) needs to be tested. Just because 2 or more have aggressively prophesied that Donal Trump will be the winner is really putting themselves out there because if Trump loses it really puts their words and their ministry on blast. The bottom line is we vote and the will of the people will decide who will be elected. Now to your dream about the tigers. Your interpretation may or may not be right but we who are called to teach the whole counsel of the Lord must be wary as to who we influence through our dreams or visions. Hilary Clinton’s belief system and her support of things that are ungodly ( as I see it through having for years having researched her ) is not what America needs and I will never vote for her because I believe that America will lapse into such lawlessness that we will fall as a nation. Having said that notice though that I did not prophesy for Trump to win only that my personal choice will not be with Hilary Clinton. My personal belief is that neither candidate is good enough to be President of this wonderful country but I will vote my conscience. If you want to base it on what you feel God is telling you then you too must vote your conscience as well. As you said God honors our votes so why can’t we leave it at that. My concern for you Art is that many may not vote for Trump based on your dream and that my brother would be a wrong choice for anyone. As it is wrong for those Christians that are voting for Trump based on Lance Wallnau’s prophecy. It must be based on our honest view of the candidates and what they stand for. For me I pray for any prophet ( brother or sister ) that uses their influence over others to sway their votes one way or another. My own view is based on the research of the candidates. Both have their flaws but after the may years I have followed the Clinton’s and their political machine I am convinced that I have only one sure choice and it isn’t her. I pray I have not offended you or anyone else. God bless, Bill Robertson.

    • Art ThomasSeptember 14, 2016 at 6:49 am #

      Thanks for the feedback, Bill. Please note that this was written way back in the primary season and was not intended to promote Hillary or sway people toward her. Neither Trump nor Hillary were the nominees at the time.

      But now that they are the nominees, the temptation would be to take this post down for the very reasons you cited. But think about the position I’m in: To do so would be to bow to the political spirit and pretend that I didn’t feel what I wrote was from the Lord simply because I dislike Hillary. Even if the word is wrong, that would be an affront to Jesus because I would be robbing Him of His priority in my life and granting it to a political system. And ironically, the only motivation for taking this down would be to sway votes — the very thing so many are afraid will happen if I leave it up. Could it be that we’re only afraid of swaying votes to the other team?

      Hopefully you can see in my article the invitation to judge all prophecies including my own and my concession that I could be wrong and will publicly apologize if that should happen. Please note that I also said I don’t know whether or not Trump will be president–only that God has a heavenly strategy that was not revealed publicly until it was too late to do anything about it.

      These are tumultuous times in our country, and people need to be wary of the political spirit now more than ever. Unfortunately, it seems that if Trump wins, it’s only because he ran against Hillary; and if Hillary wins, it’s only because she ran against Trump. People are more motivated by disdain for the other candidate than they are by actual issues or long-term consequences (on both sides).

      I’ve worked really hard to keep this post from becoming a political debate, so I’ll end there. Let’s pray that the best outcome for our country takes place this November.

      Be blessed!
      –Art

    • Lisa BastSeptember 14, 2016 at 8:28 am #

      I wanted to share with you Bill, that I had a dream also. It was last spring (around April just before Trump got the official GOP nomination). I was a Cruz supporter and as it looked like Trump would be the GOP nominee, pre-general election polls were indicating he would lose soundly to Clinton. I was scared like I’d never been. One night I had a dream. I was surrounded in darkness but there was a warm, comforting presence – I guess an angel- who spoke to me and said, “I know you’re afraid for your country, but it’s going to be OK.” I did feel comforted and reassured but have no idea what the dream meant. I asked my Bible study leader if God speaks to us through dreams and she wasn’t sure. So…I’m not sure what the dream meant, if anything.

      • Art ThomasSeptember 14, 2016 at 8:46 am #

        Lisa… It seems like a pretty straightforward dream to me–no symbolism at all, just a reassurance that everything will be okay and you don’t need to fear.

        With regard to your question about whether or not God speaks through dreams, I’m surprised your Bible study leader didn’t know. If you took all the dreams out of the Bible she’s studying, you’d lose a significant portion of it! Even Jesus was protected when his earthly father, Joseph, was visited by an angel in a dream (Matthew 2:13).

        I’d say your dream is legit 🙂

      • Bill RobertsonSeptember 15, 2016 at 2:32 am #

        I would agree Lisa with Art. Dreams and visions are a part and parcel of all of. both the Old and New Testaments. The only problem we can have is when we govern our lives according to a dream. In your case your dream I feel was definitely from the Lord because the angel was announcing to you to not be afraid. I too Lisa was a Cruz supporter but unfortunately he lost. I think too many people are voting or not voting for Trump based on his personality and we need to be careful in that area. Candidates being elected should not be based on whether they offend us because all candidates offend someone somewhere just because of the political stance they take. We need to stay in prayer over this election and seek God to help us in making our choice. Bottom line it must be based on what they stand for. God bless you Lisa.

        • Lisa BastSeptember 15, 2016 at 8:04 am #

          Thank you. I try to remember the dream when I become afraid but it’s hard. I really believe that if Hillary gets into the WH, we will see a dramatic chipping away of religious freedom as never before. Our taxes will skyrocket as she attempts to fund healthcare for illegal immigrants and jobs will disappear. I don’t believe her heart is of love for this country; her true loves are power and money. And I believe she will implement an even more aggressive agenda than Obama.

          A HRC presidency still scares me but I try to focus on God and pray daily for his intervention. I cling to 2 Chronicles 7:14 though I know this passage refers to the land of Israel – yet I believe it to be true also for America.

          We must continue to pray steadfast for this great nation.

    • Debbie D.September 14, 2016 at 9:42 am #

      I don’t know if there is any relation to Pat Robertson, but when I saw the name it reminded me of a YouTube video I just saw 2 nights ago. It was Pat Robertson telling Benny Hinn who was interviewing him that the Lord had told him that Romney was going to win the 2012 election and be a 2 time President. He has been exposed. Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are not the only candidates. It is also a choice not to vote if you don’t think anyone is qualified. Unfortunately there is a level of corruption that few can escape in politics. We must be careful not to vote for people who invoke the name of God and Jesus. I consider myself to be an evangelical Christian and know many other Christians that feel the same way I do. I do not know anyone who will be voting for Trump. I am not a Republican, but as one of my Christian Republican friends said, if he wins he is God’s judgement on America. No offense intended, but Christians are comprised of diverse groups of races and ethnicities. The man is offensive to many and constantly changes what he says.

      • Lisa BastSeptember 14, 2016 at 9:52 am #

        Yet Hillary Clinton’s lies, deception and corruption are not offensive? Do you really think government’s purpose is to serve the people? Not one politician today serves his or her constituents. Like Hillary, most are in it for power and money and to serve their own interests and that of their lobbyists.

        I will never, ever understand those who claim to be Christian yet believe their rights and source of all things comes from government, not God. This is pure foolishness. The two philosophies are in deep conflict.

        No, Trump is not a perfect man but certainly Hillary Clinton is far more corrupt and deceitful. She cares nothing for the “common man” because she’s too far removed from the daily struggles those people go through. She’s gotten her money from super wealthy celebrities and big Wall Street Banks. So for those who think she will stand up for your rights…you are blind. She is for the illegal immigrants because she wants the Democrats to stay in power by creating a class of permanent Democratic voters.

        I’m trying to stay respectful to varying viewpoints but I think it’s pure stupidity to think government and its politicians are in Washington to serve the American people…I mean, how has that worked out for the last seven years? We’re now a nation divided more than ever, religious liberties are being destroyed and the economic is still weak with many still out of work, myself included. Politicians have silver tongues but they almost never keep their promises unless it serves their best interests.

        Clearly, Hillary Clinton has made money off the backs of American taxpayers and will continue to do so in an even more aggressive way if elected – not to mention her corruption will be unbounded. I have a hard time believing that’s OK for those who claim to be Christian.

      • Bill RobertsonSeptember 15, 2016 at 3:00 am #

        Yes Debbie Pat Robertson is a distant cousin of mine but I have never met the man but have had family members and friends who have and they have told me he was a wonderful godly man. It is unfortunate that he prophesied that Romney was going to win and didn’t but at the time of that election over 4 million evangelical Christians didn’t vote at all because they were fed up with the politics of both candidates. I am Republican and vote for only conservative candidates for president but in my state of Arizona I vote mostly democrat because the govt here is extremely corrupt. I know that there are other candidates running for president but they are so far behind in points they will never get elected. There is really only 2 real choices to make and we have to live with that. I live in a border state where if Hilary wins in his first official act as president is to declare amnesty for all illegals and piggy back any family member that was left behind from whatever country they came from. This will cause such a strain on this states economy and the federal govt’s that we will financially never recover as per financial pundits have predicted on all news agencies for the last 3 years. I am a Corrections officer and our prisons in Arizona are overcrowded and the staff are woefully unprepared for the influx of immigrants that will be being arrested for violent crimes here in Arizona, Texas and California. As far as your friend stating that if Trump gets into office he will be God’s judgment on America, well lets just say I have been hearing that cry for over 20 years and we are still the greatest nation in the world and I believe God’s grace will only end when He says it so and it will be when the last soul is saved in America. Lastly I would say that yes Trump is offensive to many but so is Hilary which has lied and refused to be held accountable for her wicked debacle in Libya, and as of 2008 she didn’t believe in gays having the right to be married and yet now she champion’s their cause. She also didn’t believe in late term abortions but now she does. Candidates change their views practically daily if it suits their needs to win. This is why I voted for Cruz he stuck to his guns on everything he believed right from the beginning but unfortunately the public is fed up with established political parties. No matter who wins this November I believe that our two party system domination will not continue for much longer if Jesus tarries. Vote your conscience Debbie and God bless you, Bill

        • Debbie D.September 15, 2016 at 9:33 am #

          Hi Bill…thank you for your civil response. I really had no idea that there was any relation. I appreciate your honesty. I too am a conservative Christian who is more of an independent but do lean more Democratically. I do not vote based on where people stand on abortion or gay rights. I am just as concerned for the people who are alive as the unborn. God is pro-choice but everyone will have to give an account for their choices. As James 1:27 states, Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. In Galatians 6:2, it says–Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. These verses are very important to me. I also respect the prophetic gifts because they operate through my husband and others I know. God also speaks to me in dreams. Over the last 14 years, The Lord has given us many “words of knowledge” and revelation for our personal lives as well as for the US and other nations. We have these documented but have only shared with a few people. Unfortunately, there is going to be many terrors and much humbling for the US but He will not destroy because of the blood of the faithful. I’m not saying this to scare anyone, but we all know from the bible that some very terrifying things are going to be happening in the world. I don’t know who will win and haven’t asked. I believe if we really sought, He would tell us, but it’s not that important. Regardless of who wins, our trust must continue to be in Him and we must try to learn how to use our spiritual gifts to fulfill the purposes that He’s called us to. God Bless you Bill and everyone as well! I don’t usually blog like this and will try to go back to my quiet life 🙂

          • Lisa BastSeptember 15, 2016 at 9:48 am #

            Everybody has a right to their beliefs but I would never, ever state that God is “pro-choice.” While we do have free will, the Bible is clear that abortion and homosexuality is an abomination against God. There is just no way a Christian conservative can justify abortion.

            Either you believe your inherent rights come from God – or from the government. Government – as corrupt as its politicians have been shown to be – can never fulfill the needs of people as only God can. Democrats believe their rights come from government – and this is in direct conflict with the word of God.

            It’s clear many people pick and choose to believe what’s in the Bible to suit their own lifestyles and beliefs – and discard the rest. I find many Christians who profess to believe in a God, yet rely on the government to meet their needs. This is hypocrisy. True faith comes from relying on God for all our needs.

            No politician – whether it’s Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump – will be able to do what only God can. However, I cannot vote for someone who will continue to chip away at religious freedom, whose love is for money and power – and I cannot fathom those who profess to be Christian who can. But judgment is not mine to render – it is God’s.

          • Debbie D.September 15, 2016 at 10:14 am #

            Lisa…you appear to be very intolerant and judgmental. When I said God is pro-choice I meant that he does not impose his will on us. He is pro-choice in that He allows us to make our own choices. The first choice He gave was to have the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden. I don’t think anyone really favors abortion and it is not God’s will, but is it fair for you to force someone to have a child if they had been raped? That decision is between God and the woman in my opinion. God is also a forgiving God. If most people understood the developing fetus, I believe they wouldn’t even choose to have one. But rape is something different. Neither am I justifying homosexuality. They will be judged like the bible says and will not be able to enter the kingdom of heaven unless they repent. But we must be compassionate towards these groups so that we can demonstrate God’s love and hopefully lead them to his kingdom. You are making my point that some people only focus on some things but do not focus on the fruits of the spirit that the Bible said all Christians should be known by: Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control—against such things there is no law.

          • Lisa BastSeptember 15, 2016 at 10:39 am #

            Wow, Debbie, I think it’s you who is intolerant and judgmental. Did I call you an offensive name or refer directly to you in my response? As far as I know, I’m entitled to my opinion – just like you are and I clearly stated that in my response. This has always been the mantra of liberals – that they are the party of tolerance – and nothing can be further from the truth.

            Yes, God is a forgiving God – I get that. But we should still try to make the right choices whenever possible as fallen human beings A woman who is raped can also make the choice to give the child up for adoption to a couple who long for a child. Yes, she can also choose to have an abortion. There are always choices as you stated.

            I’m not going to waste my day arguing with you because you also seem rigid in your thinking as you accused me of being. But I do have every right to state my opinion. And it’s sad that someone cannot disagree with another without vilifying that person – whom they don’t even know but from an entry on a website.

          • Debbie D.September 15, 2016 at 11:01 am #

            You have been attacking me from day 1 and by replying to my posts you are directly speaking to me. Your tone has been offensive. I didn’t blog to get into any fights because that is not my personality and I will not give the enemy any more opportunity for conflict.

          • Lisa BastSeptember 15, 2016 at 1:04 pm #

            Debbie, I’ve been presenting my viewpoint on general topics you’ve raised in a public forum. But I’ve never once called you out or addressed you directly so if you felt you were being attacked – that was not my intention at all. I was not attacking you personally – as I’ve stated – everyone is entitled to his or her opinion.

            I’m sorry two fellow sisters in Christ have gotten into this argument. You appear to be a godly person who loves the Lord. I pray for your health and happiness, Debbie. I feel certain you are an inspiration to those who know and love you. I apologize for any offense to you.

            God bless you always.

          • Debbie D.September 15, 2016 at 1:35 pm #

            Lisa…thank you! I apologize as well. I was a bit anxious to read any more posts because I don’t like confrontation or feeling that I’ve hurt someone else. This is what it is all about. We are sisters in Christ. The enemy got us good but in the end, God got the glory. There are absolutely no hard feelings. I accept what you said. Have a great day!

          • Bill RobertsonSeptember 15, 2016 at 12:59 pm #

            Praise God Debbie. I usually don’t blog either but Art’s comment on the prophetic dream he had really piqued my interest. That and the fact that I have operated in the prophetic for over 30 years. The key for prophecy today is contained in Paul’s writings in First Corinthians 14 I think where he relates that it is to edify, exhort and comfort. This has always been my foundation when I prophesied or heard others prophesy over people. If it didn’t have one or more of those three qualities I wouldn’t receive the word. I am just an establishment guy when it comes to the gifts. Just have the Word of God as our foundation. Be strong in the Lord sister and in the strength of His might. Wait upon the Lord and see Him renew your strength. I sense in the Spirit that you are grounded in His Word and you will not be led astray. In the end its all to be about Jesus. As I said a long time ago to Art in a comment, Paul never cared or prophesied who was going to be the next emperor of Rome or the next governor of Israel. He just occupied himself with His Lord’s mandate, that of discipling the nations. Not just getting them saved but discipling them and that is the key to our current dilemma here in America. So many want to get people saved but they forget to disciple them in the teachings of Jesus. God bless you and your husband.

  42. Debbie D.September 15, 2016 at 1:43 pm #

    Thank you, Bill…in full agreement. May the Lord continue to speak to you clearly and use you for His kingdom!

    • Lisa BastSeptember 15, 2016 at 2:25 pm #

      You are a gracious woman, Debbie. I will keep you in prayer. We remain sisters in Christ.

      God bless you!

      • Debbie D.September 15, 2016 at 2:30 pm #

        Thank you, Lisa…you are gracious as well! I imagine God is smiling 🙂

  43. GusSeptember 17, 2016 at 9:45 pm #

    When Trump made the statement during his GOP Convention to quote him “I alone can fix it” I knew his was not right before the Lord.

  44. Jodi robertsOctober 18, 2016 at 7:00 pm #

    When so many prophetic leaders started to support Trump my spirit leapt to remembrance of a word brought forth by Bobbie Jones. http://www.bobjones.org/index.cfm?zone=/Docs/Words%20of%202014/2014-11_ValleyOfDecision.htm I felt like this word applied, the part concerning correction.

    I wish more people would’ve seen this prior to primaries.

    • Art ThomasOctober 18, 2016 at 8:26 pm #

      That’s a pretty uncanny description of this election. Thanks so much for sharing it!

      • Lisa BastOctober 19, 2016 at 2:41 pm #

        I’m beginning to think I’m being deceived myself to think this is a “Christian site.” There is clearly some bias going on here. We have no way of knowing what God’s will is in this election. The Scripture also says, “my ways are not your ways.” Yet, there are so many presumptions being put forth here that God is against a Trump candidacy and a Trump presidency.

        I’m beginning to be ashamed to be a Christian seeing so much disdain against Trump (or Clinton) from those professing to be Christians. Maybe I’m wrong here – but the Word tells me the Cross was payment for ALL our sins – including Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton’s.

        As a Christian, I don’t think this election isn’t about whose morality is more superior than the other’s. It’s about Christian values and religious liberty being upheld.

  45. MatildaOctober 18, 2016 at 7:26 pm #

    A very strange and manipulative “prophecy”. You need to be careful about putting words in God’s mouth. Sounds like you are “making” God say what you long to see happen. That is wrong.

    • Art ThomasOctober 18, 2016 at 8:34 pm #

      Time will tell who was speaking for God and who was speaking from their fleshly desires and political motivations. I’m willing to publicly confess if I’m wrong. I hope those who have prophesied differently are willing to do the same.

  46. MelvilleOctober 18, 2016 at 10:57 pm #

    Art, I’ve been astounded at the so called prophetic utterances promoting Trump. I fear for the credibility of many of my fellow Christians if this election continues on this trajectory. Thanks for being bold enough to speak the truth. Come November 8 there will be shaking out of those who spoke the truth out of Holy unction or those who spoke out of fear and the flesh.

    • Lisa BastOctober 19, 2016 at 7:32 am #

      Truly, I’ve been astounded at those who have commented here stating it’s utter nonsense and blasphemy to promote that God wants Trump in the White House…and you think he prefers instead a pathological liar who us deeply corrupt? All throughout the Bible God has used deeply flawed men and women to carry out hi will. Remember Saul/ Paul who viciously put Christians to death? Since when have we become so self righteous as Christians as to think we know what God wants? Maybe instead we should get back to reading the Word and praying for our country as its religious liberties are on life support. That should be enough to cause deep concern. And for those who castrate Trump, since when are any of us simess that we can cast the first stone? We all need grace and mercy. I’m ashamed that so many of us are hypocritical and incapable of forgiveness. That so many are self-righteous, throwing rocks when we, too, are deeply flawed. Apparently, prayer, forgiveness, compassion and immersing ourselves on the Word has been forgotten or worse, is meaningless. And we wonder why this country has gone to hell. We, ourselvrs, are to blame.

      • Art ThomasOctober 19, 2016 at 7:42 am #

        A sure sign of a political spirit is rebuking people for attacking a politician you like and in the same breath attacking a politician you don’t like.

        Note the irony of this statement: “…and you think he prefers instead a pathological liar who is deeply corrupt? All throughout the Bible God has used deeply flawed men and women to carry out his will…”

        I’d encourage you to be consistent in your standards. If God can use flawed and broken people, then God can use Hillary. Both major candidates are corrupt and sinful, and both have major flaws. And God could use either to accomplish His plans.

        • Lisa BastOctober 19, 2016 at 8:31 am #

          That is true, I wasn’t taking a stand for either candidate. I was commenting on those Christians who have rebuked Trump for his transgressions and was pointing out that Clinton was also deeply flawed. But the again, so are we. I was also pointing out that instead of throwing stones, we can pray for our country, which, to me, is much more productive.

          • Art ThomasOctober 19, 2016 at 8:34 am #

            ::thumbs up:: 🙂

        • Lisa BastOctober 19, 2016 at 11:36 am #

          Aside from both candidates being flawed, as a Christian I am compelled to stand on the side of the values of God including religious liberty and life. I cannot support a candidate who will not uphold those values. That to me is more important than whether I’m voting for a candidate who is without sin.

  47. LisaOctober 20, 2016 at 9:34 pm #

    Lillross, I urge you to be cautious when taking to heart any so-called pastor or evangelist ‘s message about the election. The enemy uses these people to deceive followers of Christ I am reminded of Psalm 5:9-10. There is no sinless candidate but what’s important is to compare their values to the Word. Which candidate will uphold God’s values? Remember, God commanded that we compare the messengers ‘ s assertion against the Word. If it’s not consistent with God’s Word, the message is not from God but from the deceiver.

    I see a tremendous bias against Trump here and I think that bias is muddying the integrity of the message. Pray for wisdom and discernment and do not be led astray regardless of a person’s claimed credentials. God bless.

  48. joyce franksOctober 30, 2016 at 3:16 pm #

    It is funny how people only see things one sided

  49. bonajiNovember 4, 2016 at 5:11 am #

    Most times if not all the time we humans make excuses for who we desire.We pick our desire and use scriptures to back it up and make it fit.We can use scriptures to back anything up and say God spoke
    Let God be true and every man a lie.
    The truth is not a function of public opinion
    Even though I don’t know what you are thinking and feeling,but when I see what you are doing I can tell what you are thinking and your underline motives.
    60 million people could be blind,deaf and dumb-That is actually not a mystery!.:-)
    What you think and feel and what you see crystal clearly by his prophetic gift are two different things entirely
    Hillary will win!

    • John DanielsNovember 9, 2016 at 12:14 am #

      Trump will win. Period.

  50. carlNovember 7, 2016 at 5:12 pm #

    Thank you for this thoughtful article.

    I too, vote based on my pro-life views. Since politicians can lie about there stance on life, I can only base my vote on what they say. Here is how I see it:

    This is what they said:
    1) Clinton has promised to protect abortion for all 9 months of gestation.
    2) Trump promised to:
    a) protect life, and defended his position in the debates with Clinton.
    b) appoint SCOTUS judges who protect life
    c) do everything possible to retract Roe v. Wade.

    Now, lets look at their actions:
    1) Clinton has always voted along the pro-abortion Democratic Party platform.
    2) Clinton chose a pro-abortion running mate, Tim Kaine.
    3) Trump, as unpopular as he is, has done something very unusual in today’s secular society by doing things that make him even MORE unpopular: He has chosen a pro-life, conservative Christian running mate, Mike Pence.

    In balance, both with their words and actions, Trump is clearly the pro-life choice.
    Proverbs 24:
    “Deliver those who are being taken away to death; and those who are staggering to the slaughter, hold them back.
    If you say, “See, we did not know this”, does He not consider it who weighs the hearts? And does He not know it who keeps your soul? And will He not render to man according to his work?”

    We have a duty to protect the helpless, including the unborn. And because the issue of abortion is before us almost daily, we cannot claim ignorance. He knows that we know.

    Also, let’s look not look, ultimately, to politicians but to God. So how should we look to politicians? In the same way we look to the pastor of our local church, we can look to the president. As a fallible human who God can use. However, God can use some humans more than others based on that human’s particular characteristics.

  51. John DanielsNovember 9, 2016 at 12:18 am #

    This is a very cowardly website that does not dare publish comments confronting its flawed writings.

    • Art ThomasNovember 9, 2016 at 2:59 am #

      Lol

      • Debbie DNovember 9, 2016 at 8:21 am #

        I don’t believe that Trump’s win supports the prophecies that were given. Let’s see how his presidency goes. I agree that God might be using him but not on the way most of you think. Is it possible that God may be revealing the hideous conditions of the heart of many. People put a man in power that did not share his tax returns, did not pay federal taxes for decades, is vulgar, is impulsive, , etc. They flocked to him because they were attracted to his wealth, his name on the plane. To me he represents a spirit of greed and pride. I believe that he could be God’s judgement against America. What does the slogan “Make America Great Again Mean? Do you want to go back to the days of slavery? I’m sorry, but America was not founded on Christian values. It was founded on genocide of blacks and Indians, and slavery….this is how the country got its wealth. I do not believe there will be any healing until the nation acknowledges this and asks for forgiveness. Many of Trump’s supporters are downright racists who are afraid of other nationalities. They don’t even understand the history of this country and feel threatened. This is a sad day for America. As a world traveler who has many international friends, they are shocked that he was elected.

        • Lisa BastNovember 9, 2016 at 9:56 am #

          I have to say Debbie that your comments aregarding very hateful. I was a Trump supporter and so was my husband who is African American. To paint all of as racists is not only disingenuous but smacks of ignorance. We had many friends who were African American abs Latino who did not see it the way you do. They were sick and tired of the corruption, lies and deceit in Washington and stood on the side of religious liberty and life. As Independent voters, we could not, in good conscious vote for such a deeply corrupt woman as Hillary Clinton. It is insulting when you paint people with such a broad brush. You are spewing the same hate that you accuse Trump of – my husband and I find that hypocritical. I hope you can get beyond this and learn to forgive as well…right now, you seem to have a problem doing that.

          • Debbie DNovember 9, 2016 at 11:22 am #

            Lisa, there is a double standard here. If a black man ran for president and he said all of the things that Trump said and acted the same and had no experience in public service, avoided taxes, didn’t share tax returns, I seriously doubt that he would have been president. The KKK backs Trump. Why is that? I understand that everyone who voted for him is not racist but there are many racial undertones of his candidacy and those who support him. Let’s not forget that it was Trump who led the birther movement. This was insulting to the first black president and to us in general. Again, as I’ve said Christians are diverse groups of people and have different perspectives as a result of experiences. I am eagerly watching to see how this will work out. I am from NYC and have known about Trump since the 80’s. Many New Yorkers are in disbelief.

          • LisaNovember 9, 2016 at 12:51 pm #

            Debbie, it’s you who are making Trump’s win about race. You need to own that. America elected a black man twice so to keep pulling out the race card when there’s no evidence of such only further divides this country and keeps the division alive. Nowhere in President Obama’s speech or in Hillary Clinton’s speech today did they mention racism as a factor in this race. Instead, they emphasized respecting the outcome and keeping an open mind. Both were very gracious and put aside their personal feelings for the good of the country. That had to be very hard to do, especially for Mrs. Clinton. Your comments about racism were not helpful to this country moving forward. And I’m sure many African Americans, including those who work for Trump, who voted for him, like my husband, not only disagree with you but find your remarks distasteful. You are part of the problem, not the solution. Furthermore, they are certainly not Christian like.

          • Debbie DNovember 9, 2016 at 1:12 pm #

            I’m sorry that you find my statements offensive but it is my opinion and the opinion of other Black Christians and non-Black Christians. There is still a race problem in this country whether you want to admit it or not.

  52. JeanetteNovember 9, 2016 at 9:33 am #

    Hi, I came across this article as the 1st google search result. For some reason I thought it was published hours before the result…I’m still left very confused about what to hang onto hope wise now that Trump has been elected. Though I agree with stances like being against abortion, etc, and would find it a relief that more biblical / moral laws are enacted, I worry that Mr. Thomas’ dream, if true, regardless of who the white outside tiger was supposed to symbolize, will result in the NT verse about men’s hearts failing them because of fear – because of the heavens being shaken…When people said things like, Trump will be used to expose corruption and darkness, I thought that was /is good, yet aside from this, his foreign policy stance seems to mean even more war which then countradicts other Christian values. Watching his acceptance speech around 3 am last night was already more than insulting. What I wanted to bring up, lastly, though, was how scared I felt as an Asian American female when I saw the Trump HQ on tv last night as his campaign workers filled the stage and the cameras surveyed the party. I was watching with two white guys, who both at some point said (though they were Clinton supporters), “Well, I have nothing to be afraid of, I’m a white male.” Though our country may be primarily white in many states, we cannot as the church (or in my opinion, as a country supposedly blessed by God), continue to propagate this ideology. While it is the case that at this time in our country or world white men have privilege, status or power, the narrative we have watched time and time again both on screen and off (our institutions, churches, etc) is that somehow things are better if white people are the majority or in all the major decision making positions. That somehow if you are not white, you are a little just a little – less than, that somehow, your white counterparts are smarter, are unarguably better. I can only hope that the deep interracial healing as prophecied by some for this country continue to take place more and more. Nobody seemed to mention this on this thread, I wonder if it’s because somehow we’ve lost sight of how much healing we need in this area, if even whites who are born again Christians don’t see outside their own race when it comes to anything that might hint of a changing of the guard so to speak…? Most importantly, I think watching an all white extremist party win last night (though I’m not a Clinton fan either) simply says nothing on a national or personal level about who Jesus is (is He white? Or is He like Joseph, who had a multicolored robe, made up of many tribes whom He created for His pleasure?); nor about the type of Bride He is coming back for. As I write this, it has been over ten years since I left bible college, and I still feel very far from God – yet I do see the importance and value in humbling myself to the best of my ability before Him, and only time will tell if the prophecies contained in the NT take place. I’m afraid in some ways I am hiding in a very dark corner in my heart where intellectualism, rationalism, etc make me give up hope that there even exists a person like Jesus. That to me is more scary then anything that can happen in this earth. If you do already have that hope though, how sobering the recent and continuing events in our nation – yet what great a hope you have – promises bestowed to a people He calls Kings and reconcilers….

    • Debbie DNovember 9, 2016 at 10:56 am #

      Yes, Jeannette. As a Black Christian I have tried to articulate your sentiment on this post and can definitely relate. Unfortunately, it is hard for some to accept.

  53. Doreathea WilliamsNovember 10, 2016 at 1:22 am #

    Minister Art Thomas,
    Thank you so much for your article it blessed me so much last night when I read the article and some of the responses from your readers (who suppose to be Children of God). It make me think what God is their father because you can believe that our father Jesus Christ would used a fleshy man for us to worship on this earth as an example for any thing. Donald Trump does not represent nothing pertaining to the God I serve. All these prophecies I praying that God will make all these prophets’ word from their god to be totally false. I know in these very last days the body of Christ is so divided with their corrupted heart and selfishness that after this election knowing some of the leaders voted for trump my trusted level for my sisters and brothers in Christ have went down tremendously. To say we are on one accord in the body of Christ this is me I believe that a lie from the pit of hell. I was out done when I find out that a lot of the black voters did not vote at all and large number of them was Christian. We proclaimed to know the heart of God and I do not believe that at all. That is why I am going to love my sisters and brothers in Christ with distance because I don’t think we are going down the same pathway of Jesus Christ and his word. The so called Christians of today need to go on a fast and go in their prayer closet to do some heart and soul searching and cleansing very quickly before the Lord come back. We tremendously mess up ! AMEN God bless your ministry.

  54. Consolata RuthNovember 10, 2016 at 6:40 am #

    Americans , The die is cast. Its true no leader can come into power if God does not approve of it. So all we need to do is to allow God teach us( Christians) thruogh Trump what He wants to teach us and pray that Trumps’ heart will be charged for the good of your country, Africa(where i belong) and for the glory of God and his plans for humanity.

  55. Ryan turnerNovember 13, 2016 at 7:32 pm #

    Brother art,

    I found some of your statements to be very insightful. I felt led to this page and have been challenged in a good way. I have noticed you mention on facebook and here that there are believers that yield to a political spirit and you cited very good examples especially on facebook. I have seen many beleivers clinging to trump as well. Do you think God is revealing that you have been submiting to the political spirit due to the fact thay your efforts rebuke trump beleivers but you do not rebuke clinton and obama beleivers and now even protesters. Maybe you are projecting that spirit on others and using gary johnson as a scapegoat to cover your own pride. Just some thoughts.

    • Art ThomasNovember 13, 2016 at 11:13 pm #

      Hi Ryan,

      I appreciate the feedback! First, I don’t support Gary Johnson, nor did I vote for him or recommend anyone else vote for him, so that’s not an issue.

      To your point, though, there are a few very simple reasons why I have addressed the political spirit among Trump supporters and not among Clinton/Obama supporters:

      (1) I’m a registered Republican, so the Trump supporters are my own “tribe.” There’s enough finger pointing at “the other side” that I didn’t feel the need to add to it. I’d rather be part of helping people in my own party to think in broader terms and hold firstly to a Kingdom allegiance. I believe in first removing the plank from our own eye before dealing with the speck in our brother’s eye.

      (2) I know my audience, and the fact is that the vast majority of my readership is political conservatives. Addressing issues I see on the liberal side might gain me a bunch of “likes,” but it would just be preaching to the choir and wouldn’t actually help bring meaningful change to the issues facing us right now.

      (3) If we are to believe the polls, I seem to remember something like 85% of the white evangelical vote going to Trump. That means the majority of white Christians are Trump supporters. A lot of minority’s Christians supported him too. The stats also indicate to me that the majority of Clinton supporters are likely unchurched. It is therefore better for evangelism if they see me addressing issues in my own camp rather than pushing them away and telling them what’s wrong with them. More than enough Evangelical Christians are doing that already, and it’s only hurting our witness.

      So it’s not that I’m being biased as much as that I’m actively trying to fight against my own bias (which would be to fault-find in the other side).

      Lastly, because of my own political persuasion, a great deal of the things I’ve shared on Facebook are things the Lord first worked in my own heart. Because of this, most of the realizations I have had pertain to how the political spirit operates on my side of the aisle. If I had been a liberal, then the Lord would have been uprooting a different set of issues in me, and my posts would be addressing fellow liberals.

      In short, my recent Facebook posts were as much my own journey that I have been walking through as they have been an appeal to my fellow conservatives to realize what the Lord has corrected me about.

      Hopefully that helps explain it. Be blessed!

  56. Ryan turnerNovember 14, 2016 at 10:59 pm #

    Art,

    Thanks for taking the time to respond. Very very insightful! I think your response will also benefit others on the thread! Thanks again.

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